KVR Audio

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:45 pm

IK's custom shop paradigm is truly annoying to me, it's a lot of shit to delete from three locations here.
Fortunately I don't have to reinstall but every few years, but I dread installing any of that lot.

No_Use · Post by **No_Use** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:48 pm

Local Man wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:36 am
MogwaiBoy wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:30 am You mean universal installers that force you to install everything or universal installers in general?
I'm talking about the ones that force you to download everything.

Then maybe you should change the thread title, where it says 'that force you to install every plugin'?

vitocorleone123 · Post by **vitocorleone123** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:34 pm

fese wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:36 pm It’s quite obvious though that you cannot please everyone...

Some prefer single files, some complete installers for everything, some download managers.
Depends on the situation, probably. If you just want to demo one plugin, then of course having to download a huge installer that installs everything (or having to install a download manager first) is annoying. If you own several plugins of that company, having to download and install each via a single installer in case of updates is tedious.

Life really is unfair!

Easy to solve with code. It’s a matter of priorities. A lot of companies fall short in this aspect - of considering the user experience of installing and managing their files.

Have every plugin individual and a monolithic option. The company remembers what you own and gives you an option to download all, individual, or the ones you own in a single install (default).

Also, a company could, you know, ask their customers what they want, as well. Crazy talk!

Local Man · Post by **Local Man** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:38 pm

No_Use wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:48 pm
Local Man wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:36 am
MogwaiBoy wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:30 am You mean universal installers that force you to install everything or universal installers in general?
I'm talking about the ones that force you to download everything.
Then maybe you should change the thread title, where it says 'that force you to install every plugin'?

I misspoke in response to Mogwaiboy. He asked about the difference between universal installers that allow you to install everything versus those that force you to install everything.
For some reason I responded with the word download when I was referring to installs.
Though yes I am also opposed to the practice of forcing you to download everything even when you are not forced to install it all. But it's a slightly less objectionable practice as far as I'm concerned because it's a lot easier to delete what you don't want before dozens of AU, VST, preset and various other preference files have been scattered all over your hard drive.

I think there is a lot of confusion in this thread about the distinction between universal installers that allow you to download and update multiple owned products versus installers that force you to install every plugin the dev makes so they can sit in your plugin folder and run in demo mode whenever you decide to (or accidentally) open them.
It is strictly the latter that I am referring to here.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:50 pm

jancivil wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:43 pm
VitaminD wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:11 pm It would be handy to have à la carte installer generation.

What I mean is a way to, on a company website, select which products you want to install, then on their end they generate an installer with just those products. Then you wouldn't have to worry about getting more than you bargained for.
Softube changed their ways recently, you can download the whole schmear but now you can just do the one, from the same page as the full download.

Nice. Always hated that Softube full monty thing.

wetdentist · Post by **wetdentist** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:56 pm

i just wanted to try Zebralette, but it also installed a "trial version" of Zebra, which went on to infect my Maschine NKS library. there was no uninstaller for the aforementioned trial version, so i never even got to try out the free, stripped-down Zebralette because once i discovered what had happened, i uninstalled everything & have decided to never try anything from that company again.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:01 pm

In before the shit storm.

e@rs · Post by **e@rs** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:08 pm

wetdentist wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:56 pm i just wanted to try Zebralette, but it also installed a "trial version" of Zebra, which went on to infect my Maschine NKS library. there was no uninstaller for the aforementioned trial version, so i never even got to try out the free, stripped-down Zebralette because once i discovered what had happened, i uninstalled everything & have decided to never try anything from that company again.

wetdentist · Post by **wetdentist** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:10 pm

what's so funny?

e@rs · Post by **e@rs** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:11 pm

You(r story).

wetdentist · Post by **wetdentist** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:13 pm

it sucked as it was happening

e@rs · Post by **e@rs** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:16 pm

Ok, what do you mean by infect then?

wetdentist · Post by **wetdentist** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:24 pm

do you know what an NKS library is?

infect: when something that i did not ask for or want was being installed on my computer (the trial version)

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:29 pm

Maybe he meant 'pollute' as in populate not infect his NKS, but that is easy to fix, removing the NKS files....Maschine even tells you where they are installed.

rsp

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:31 pm

wetdentist wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:24 pm do you know what an NKS library is?

infect: when something that i did not ask for or want was being installed on my computer (the trial version)

Infect usually means a virus.
And if you download stuff from u-he's official website, it would be unlikely to have a virus.
That was the ambiguity and uncertainty I am guessing.
rsp

A Note to Devs That Force You to Install Every Plugin