Wopelka wrote:it depends how you define shite and good.
did you stroke your beard as you typed that
bleeding edge experimentation or blinkered bullshit ???
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- addled muppet weed
- 111299 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
did you stroke your beard as you typed that
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- KVRAF
- 3266 posts since 22 Sep, 2003 from under the sun
yep and i found a womblevurt wrote:Wopelka wrote:it depends how you define shite and good.
did you stroke your beard as you typed that
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- addled muppet weed
- 111299 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
womble = c**t you do know that dont you?
what are you doin with a womble on your face?
what are you doin with a womble on your face?
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- addled muppet weed
- 111299 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
opiadream wrote:round and round we go
that damn dog is never going to catch his tail
thats the point tho opia,diff people have diff views especially for some reason on this particular topic
like i said earlier do what you do.
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- KVRAF
- 3266 posts since 22 Sep, 2003 from under the sun
sorry i'm busy right now...vurt wrote:womble = c**t you do know that dont you?
what are you doin with a womble on your face?
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- KVRAF
- 1981 posts since 26 Oct, 2003 from Toronto
The BEST 'Blinkerd BS' experimentation album of ALL TIME... George Harrisons 'Electronic Sound'. At a time when groups like Kraftwerk, Hot Butter, Tangerine Dream were really defining the synth in popular and experimental music - the 'genious' of many memorable Beatles riffs and songs goes into a studio with a Mini Moog and a Spring Reverb and rips off Hugh LeCaine's 'Dripsody' for 45min! THE WORST 'experimental' record I've EVER heard! 
Now, on the other hand - Lou Reed's 'Metal Manchine Music' is considered a 'classic', why? Because it fits him, it works with him, and he worked with it. Right after he conjures up 'Walk On The Wild Side' and all those nice songs - there was this (here I go again) 'Sinead edge' to him. He was getting you comfertable, and slowly easing into black nail polish and bleached hair - so 'Metal Machine Music' was 'inevitable' for Lou. He did it, did it well, and moved on down the line. 
vurt - please don't say you're serious about McDonna!
American Pie - Puuuuuhleeeease!
William Orbit, I'll give the credit too by all means. But Madonna just pulled him out of her 'closet' like a new pair of shoes to put on.
His better efforts to me are for Les Rita Mitsouko's 'RE-mix' collection. Brilliant production artistry on there (if you heard some of the original versions that is. )
But vurt probably wonders why I hold Sinead O'Conner in such high esteem - go back t the above G. Harrison Vs. L. Reed; and case closed. Easier than Johnny Cochrane using the 'Chewbacca Defence' on South Park. 
THE WORST 'experimental' record I've EVER heard! Now, on the other hand - Lou Reed's 'Metal Manchine Music' is considered a 'classic', why? Because it fits him, it works with him, and he worked with it. Right after he conjures up 'Walk On The Wild Side' and all those nice songs - there was this (here I go again) 'Sinead edge' to him. He was getting you comfertable, and slowly easing into black nail polish and bleached hair - so 'Metal Machine Music' was 'inevitable' for Lou. He did it, did it well, and moved on down the line. vurt - please don't say you're serious about McDonna!
American Pie - Puuuuuhleeeease! William Orbit, I'll give the credit too by all means. But Madonna just pulled him out of her 'closet' like a new pair of shoes to put on.
His better efforts to me are for Les Rita Mitsouko's 'RE-mix' collection. Brilliant production artistry on there (if you heard some of the original versions that is.
)But vurt probably wonders why I hold Sinead O'Conner in such high esteem - go back t the above G. Harrison Vs. L. Reed; and case closed.
Easier than Johnny Cochrane using the 'Chewbacca Defence' on South Park. 
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- KVRAF
- 12235 posts since 18 Aug, 2003
I'd highly recommend reading the Lou Reed interviews with Lester Bangs in Psychotic Reactions and Carburetor Dung. Hilarious stuff, like an Abbott and Costello routine. The stuff on MMM is the funniest bit.
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- KVRAF
- 1981 posts since 26 Oct, 2003 from Toronto
Yes and no Opiadream. I don't think RCA was happy with this 'dark route' Lou was taking with his image and music. And I think it took them (ALOT of people!) to realise 'Walk On The Wild Side' was not this 'wholesome pop song' that radios were playing everywhere. (Jenny couldn't BELIEVE what she heard at all! )
But considering the amount of time Lou hung with Warhol at The Factory, and was 'smart enough' to stay there, and move on from there with Bowie and all. He's a pretty smart artist IMHO.
Bowie on the other hand - he's like Sinead and Madonna all wrapped into one. He's got the mind of an artist, with the gumption of a 'securities investor'. To me, he seemed to 'loose his drive' going from film to video so to speak? To me, Lodger was his last 'great artistic' record - from there, it's been 'safe bets' on down the road for himself. He plays it smart, just like Madonna - but has severely 'cornered himself' even if he wants to do a John Cage-ish experimental exploration ever? (Yeah, like Imal's gonna put up with that shit! )
I don't think RCA was happy with this 'dark route' Lou was taking with his image and music. And I think it took them (ALOT of people!) to realise 'Walk On The Wild Side' was not this 'wholesome pop song' that radios were playing everywhere. (Jenny couldn't BELIEVE what she heard at all! ) But considering the amount of time Lou hung with Warhol at The Factory, and was 'smart enough' to stay there, and move on from there with Bowie and all. He's a pretty smart artist IMHO.
Bowie on the other hand - he's like Sinead and Madonna all wrapped into one. He's got the mind of an artist, with the gumption of a 'securities investor'. To me, he seemed to 'loose his drive' going from film to video so to speak? To me, Lodger was his last 'great artistic' record - from there, it's been 'safe bets' on down the road for himself. He plays it smart, just like Madonna - but has severely 'cornered himself' even if he wants to do a John Cage-ish experimental exploration ever? (Yeah, like Imal's gonna put up with that shit!
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- KVRAF
- 12235 posts since 18 Aug, 2003
Like Madonna, there's always been a bit of cultural vampire in Bowie. Quick, find out what's hip so I can feed off its life force.
I always assumed he knew it, that his role/disintegration in the The Hunger was something of a self-parody. Madonna, however, seems to think self-parody is pretending to insert household objects into her vagina. Which, in a way, is a kind of self-parody, but probably not in the way she'd hoped.
I always assumed he knew it, that his role/disintegration in the The Hunger was something of a self-parody. Madonna, however, seems to think self-parody is pretending to insert household objects into her vagina. Which, in a way, is a kind of self-parody, but probably not in the way she'd hoped.
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- KVRAF
- 1981 posts since 26 Oct, 2003 from Toronto
Amen to that Shamann! 
Yes, Bowie does admit to being a 'culture vulture' now. But to me he can't 'put his stamp on it' like Madonna can. Yet, as you say - Madonna isn't really 'putting a stamp' on it either, other than critics declaring 'Hers! Hers! Hers!' Whether she's with Flood, or checking out Britney's moves and being thankful she doesn't look like Sanra Bernhard. Bowie now just 'tries' in his mind and the critics now. Kinda sad really, looking at his compiled history up to Scary Monsters.
As much as I loathe 'Lets Dance', I respect Davie for doing it - but had so hoped he'd follow it up with 'Synthicide' or 'British Discourse'. Something really HARSH, HARD, OBSCURE, UNEXPECTED, DARK, BROODING... But he just seemed to have 'let go' after that. 'Serious Moonlight' - PUH-lease!
Lou on the other hand, you never know whats bubbling under that skin still. He may still come out with 'Sarah Says' as a catchy little ditty, or hit us over the heads with 'Burn New York, Burn!' - you never know?
Yes, Bowie does admit to being a 'culture vulture' now. But to me he can't 'put his stamp on it' like Madonna can. Yet, as you say - Madonna isn't really 'putting a stamp' on it either, other than critics declaring 'Hers! Hers! Hers!' Whether she's with Flood, or checking out Britney's moves and being thankful she doesn't look like Sanra Bernhard. Bowie now just 'tries' in his mind and the critics now. Kinda sad really, looking at his compiled history up to Scary Monsters.As much as I loathe 'Lets Dance', I respect Davie for doing it - but had so hoped he'd follow it up with 'Synthicide' or 'British Discourse'. Something really HARSH, HARD, OBSCURE, UNEXPECTED, DARK, BROODING... But he just seemed to have 'let go' after that. 'Serious Moonlight' - PUH-lease!
Lou on the other hand, you never know whats bubbling under that skin still. He may still come out with 'Sarah Says' as a catchy little ditty, or hit us over the heads with 'Burn New York, Burn!' - you never know?
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- KVRAF
- 1898 posts since 4 Mar, 2004 from The Forests of Lombard
Guess it runs in the family...munchkin wrote:The romantic notion of Van Gogh suffering for arts sake is a fantasy used to feed the myth that sells his calendars and posters. He hungered for success and suffered terribly because he failed to achieve it in his own lifetime.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/2880744
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- addled muppet weed
- 111299 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
of course i wasnt seriousand no i do agree with you with regards sinead
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- KVRAF
- 1981 posts since 26 Oct, 2003 from Toronto
Phew! After I heard Moby go on about his knowledge of the Spice Girls at a music conference once - I never can be too sure anymore.
I mean - we all like what we like, be it Nancy Sinatra to Outkast. But is important to know the people with (as Sterling Hayden said in Dr. Strangelove) 'total commitment' of their own goal or message they contribute. Whether they incite anger, understanding, calmness, or dread - THAT'S the good stuff! Confussion, boredom, indifference, and noticing the numbers beneath the paint - that's the 'Blinkered BS' IMHO.
And yet people will never understand what good I see in vurt, or why does vurt support whyterrabbyt, or what does Tuz see in me... But we're all getting to know one another out of it all if that's the worst aspect to look at? Art IS community. Good or Blinkered.
Another 'baldy' artist I forgot to mention who still plays it hella-cool today and actually got away with putting a crown of thorns upon the Pope with a picture of the Nuremburg rallies inbehind...
Genesis P-Orridge. Sorry to have taken you for granted like that Gen! Won't happen again!
After I heard Moby go on about his knowledge of the Spice Girls at a music conference once - I never can be too sure anymore. I mean - we all like what we like, be it Nancy Sinatra to Outkast. But is important to know the people with (as Sterling Hayden said in Dr. Strangelove) 'total commitment' of their own goal or message they contribute. Whether they incite anger, understanding, calmness, or dread - THAT'S the good stuff!
Confussion, boredom, indifference, and noticing the numbers beneath the paint - that's the 'Blinkered BS' IMHO. And yet people will never understand what good I see in vurt, or why does vurt support whyterrabbyt, or what does Tuz see in me... But we're all getting to know one another out of it all if that's the worst aspect to look at? Art IS community. Good or Blinkered.
Another 'baldy' artist I forgot to mention who still plays it hella-cool today and actually got away with putting a crown of thorns upon the Pope with a picture of the Nuremburg rallies inbehind...
Genesis P-Orridge. Sorry to have taken you for granted like that Gen! Won't happen again!