Which MAAT EQ to choose?

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BlueprintInc wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:38 pm I didn't say that and I specifically talked about linear phase methods. And that was the point, technology moved on and opened doors, being more performant and/or precise, introducing less latency, adding more types and such. Not talking about the pure sound and IIR vs. FIR or so.
well, okay, but i was. you don't hear latency on a finished recording, so the EQ being "more performant" or having "less latency" doesn't matter as far as the end product is concerned. so, as long as the curves and phase response match, two EQ's will sound the same and will null regardless of whether they're IIR, FIR, FFT, zero latency or otherwise, which was my point regarding there being nowhere to "move on" from where we are now.

to put it in another way, the marketing claims of MAAT audio are such that they imply that they are using some kind of "better" technology than anyone else that makes their EQ's sound "better" (and worth insane amounts of money), but that's just not true, because it can't be true. there's nothing in there to justify such a price tag. i know why people pay for Pro-Q3 - it's workflow and flexibility (in terms of different filters etc. offered) is unparalleled. it's not really the "sound quality" - it sounds just like any other well-coded clean digital EQ. with MAAT, there's no "different" EQ math under the hood, and i don't see why anyone would pay that much money for an EQ with far inferior (and limited!) workflow when compared to something like Pro-Q3.
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Absolutely agree with @Burillo. Not to mention that the guy behind MAAT (nothing against him personally) has been famously exposed for his hillarious claims live on a legendary episode of a German audio podcast:

Just get the free one by ikjb. If you are not able to make your mix sound well balanced with the ikjb Qrange, than no EQ in the world will get you there, since it all boils down to lack of skills in that case.

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Wasn't MAAT the company that ditched the free dynamic range meter just to sell it again? Anyways the EQs don't seem to do something fundamentally new or soundwise different. If the workflow is worth (meanwhile) 500$ then go for it. For me it definitely isn't.

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I have Blue and have tested it extensively and compared it to others I have including Pro Q3.
Blue gets cleaner and tighter results when cutting for sure . Nothing that will make or break your mix, but for certain situations it was big enough for me to buy it. Blue is supposed to be the workhorse , but it never replaced pro q3 for me . There’s going to be a big free update for Blue soon according to the news letter, so I’m very curious what that would be.

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I'm the minority here. I bought all their products. I actually live their eqs and they are great for mastering especially the orange. It's my mastering eq. I have crave, fabfilter and plenty other eqs. None sound like the orange. With every penny. Old tech idc it's about the math. I'm sure they cleaned up the code and enhanced it. It's great to me

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DocSnyder wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:38 pm None of them are worth their money.
Exactly. Plus MAAT is a scum company no one should do business with!

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128kbpsMP3 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:18 pm I make mostly urban style music (trap/uk drill/afrocarribean) with lots of low end. Even though I’m into fairly ‘simple’ genres my goal is to shape my sounds with the most high resolution/quality tools there are in the box. Hopefully some of y’all can shed some light on the following;
There's no way that MAAT EQs (and no matter how much bs marketing they're using) will give you any advantage over EQs like Pro-Q3 which is much more advanced and suitable for modern productions (eg. dynamic EQ, great fast interface and option to check conflicting frequencies from other channels).
One is that the price of MAAT EQs is simply a joke. Two that nobody besides maybe audiophiles will hear the difference. Targeted listeners? Forget about it.

Personally I treat anything from MAAT as a scam.

tldr: MAAT EQs are not worth the price in any scenario and you can have more advanced great-sounding EQ at a reasonable price.

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Thanks for your extensive insights and experiences. I am currently demoing it and to be honest, it probably is kind of an audiophile thing, I bet no trap listener would care and be able to hear it, but I did hear that blue does exactly what I imagine in my head the buttons do, which in turn makes me forget about all tech shizzle and really ‘cook’ with my sounds. I’m not saying it’s any better, just exactly what I expect. In terms of creativity, for people with a fragile creative workflow these things matter, I guess. I have to say the thing which attracts me most is the interface. It enables me to work better than any EQ because of this simple fact. I just am brainstorming whether it’s worth that price tag because I just found out my equilibrium copy can do spectral sonograph too (Which I love) for example. So choices, choices...

Thanks again and feel free to discuss some more inkom or throw some more alternatives you like. I have pro-q, but sometimes I kinda dislike it’s ‘sound’(?). I love it’s interface though...

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damayor wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:24 pm I'm the minority here. I bought all their products. I actually live their eqs and they are great for mastering especially the orange. It's my mastering eq. I have crave, fabfilter and plenty other eqs. None sound like the orange. With every penny. Old tech idc it's about the math. I'm sure they cleaned up the code and enhanced it. It's great to me
What about blue I’m currently demo’ing it and apart from it’s price I quite like it, mostly because of its interface and clean subtractive behavior. What is your opinion on it. As a longer time user why is it/are they worth their every penny, what is the main advantages above other suggested eq’s?

I’m just liking all the discussion because it gives me food for thought while demo’ing myself. Input from long users seem to be missing here so I wanna know :)

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iirc in a blind test the maat things were not even in the top 5 of all tested eqs. i also thought it was verifyable via a null test that you are able to get the exact same results with others eqs which additionally offer more (maybe someone with maat plugins can verify this). i think it boils down to user interface and if you think 400$ only for ui is worth, then go ahead. i think it's not :shrug:

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Does MAAT still require buying their ridiculous dongle in addition to paying their exorbitant prices??
Also I got the impression that when MAAT showed up that they were far more interested in just getting the old Algorithmix tech to run on newer OS'es rather than updating the code for any advances that have been made in the past 20+ years. Still using Codemeter and Red cramping definitely point to that.

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frizzbee wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:07 pm iirc in a blind test the maat things were not even in the top 5 of all tested eqs. i also thought it was verifyable via a null test that you are able to get the exact same results with others eqs which additionally offer more (maybe someone with maat plugins can verify this). i think it boils down to user interface and if you think 400$ only for ui is worth, then go ahead. i think it's not :shrug:
that interface looks like logic's forgotten 90s guis tho
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I used to think the same thing about MAAT... I didn't trust that there was anything to their EQs over any other. When Softube came out with the Weiss EQ, it was only logical that it would be compared to others like it. When I started comparing how great the Weiss sounded, to the workflow, function and sound quality of thEQred, it was the first time I understood how good thEQred is. So I couldn't see purchasing the Weiss when the MAAT was just flat out better in function and at least as good as the Weiss sound quality.

From there, testing the other MAAT EQ range, I found I really started to like the function and sound. So I ended up buying thEQblue, and Orange and Red can be subscribed to now, for a not too crazy price.

One thing is for sure, though. If you don't already have other EQs, and are needing to go to a forum to ask whether or not you should get MAAT EQs... the answer is absolutely NO. Under no circumstance are they gonna make or break your recordings. Virtually everything else is gonna matter infinitely more. You should really understand WHY you might be interested in the MAAT EQs and what exactly you expect to get out of 'em. There's definitely no way they can be worth the price difference, unless you know exactly what you're looking for and why you might want MAAT EQs versus something like Pro-Q3. There's definitely no way you'd begin to be able to appreciate whatever small differences there might be with MAAT EQs.

If you have to ask on a forum, IMO you'd definitely be wasting your time and money thinking about MAAT EQs at all.
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Oh dear god I wish this was a joke. Don’t buy anything from them and put the money to charity.

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Keep calm guys lol. I’m demo’ing it and I was just asking some questions about it and some insights from others. Those will be read and eventually be considered along with my experience with it. Thanks to this thread I also revisited another plugin I own and partly ‘rediscovered’ it and it’s extensive capabilities (Equilibrium with the ‘right’ settings). It’s too early on to decide whether I’ll add this to the toolkit, but just rolling with what I have might also be a possibility. Although I really, really love the GUI in contrary to popular opinion. That’s the MOST appealing thing to me, in all honesty. Al these little functions add up to a VERY polished EQ experience imo. Also I didn’t see a definitive answer about the cramping.. is it fixed?

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