Producer groups (to join)

[Ferione Official]

So a good friend of mine advised me that it would be better if I join a music producer group first in order to gather some experience before I start for myself and surround myself with my own group. For me, this is scary since I'm not often comfortable with group dynamics because I quickly lose the overview.

Either way, I have to give it a try so I give it a try and the first thing is to ask if music producer groups exist. If they do is there any kind of list where I can check them? If that is also yes do people know of groups that are still recruiting? And if that is also yes, are there any in the Netherlands?

It would be much appreciated if somebody can guide me in the right direction for my questions.

P.s. For those who like to do due diligence (or SJW's in general) I'm trying to make a living from being a music producer but I struggle for already many years (8+). So I admit my own ways are not successful and try to seek change. But humans don't change easily and for me especially it comes with a great (personal) cost. So I've made mistakes in the past but they are all explainable.

I mention this to avoid crap replies or flame messages and that kind of nonsense. So I kindly ask (although pick this up as a rule) that if you cannot answer my question then please do not reply to this thread.

Thank you .

[Passing Bye]

Nevermind...

[Spencer Maddox]

Dude, Whats with the 3rd Paragraph, Where did SJW's come from??
Also Does this not count as what your looking for, albiet entirely dysfunction and chaotic it is a "group"


Group...Thingy...Kinda

[RichieWitch]

Not sure if this is what you're looking for, and it is pretty experimental, but I joined up with the Disquiet Junto a couple months ago, and it's completely changed my music production. It is a group of 1000+ music producers who participate in weekly music assignments, usually strange and bizarre music assignments, and then post their work together on SoundCloud.

For example, this week's project is to "experiment with a sound sent via Bluetooth. Work to find situations in which Bluetooth begins to fail, where the sonic signature of that signal failure becomes apparent. This will likely be due to distance, but you may find other creative approaches to achieve the distortion." Then you have to create an original track from that. These projects really get you thinking creatively.

You can find more information at: https://disquiet.com/2013/04/25/disquiet-junto-faq/

So why should you consider it? Other producers will actually listen to your stuff and comment. When I post a track to the group, I get 50 to 100 people listening. From my own experience, I've gone from finishing two or three tracks a year, to finishing two or three a month. One of those tracks was picked up by a small label in Europe (a first for me), and I was invited by another group member in Japan to collaborate on a track for his upcoming album (another first for me).

It's been a great experience and my musical skills have really improved.

[vurt]

boom!!

[Ferione Official]

Dude, Whats with the 3rd Paragraph, Where did SJW's come from??
Also Does this not count as what your looking for, albiet entirely dysfunction and chaotic it is a "group"


Group...Thingy...Kinda

I want to keep the haters out and the quality replies in. I am not really into filtering information so want to keep it organized and clean. I admit I come in a bit hard, that is usually me . But when you know me I am a seriously cool dude. Or a cool dude that is seriously, what you prefer .

Not sure if this is what you're looking for, and it is pretty experimental, but I joined up with the Disquiet Junto a couple months ago, and it's completely changed my music production. It is a group of 1000+ music producers who participate in weekly music assignments, usually strange and bizarre music assignments, and then post their work together on SoundCloud.

For example, this week's project is to "experiment with a sound sent via Bluetooth. Work to find situations in which Bluetooth begins to fail, where the sonic signature of that signal failure becomes apparent. This will likely be due to distance, but you may find other creative approaches to achieve the distortion." Then you have to create an original track from that. These projects really get you thinking creatively.

You can find more information at: <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https: ... aq</span>/

So why should you consider it? Other producers will actually listen to your stuff and comment. When I post a track to the group, I get 50 to 100 people listening. From my own experience, I've gone from finishing two or three tracks a year, to finishing two or three a month. One of those tracks was picked up by a small label in Europe (a first for me), and I was invited by another group member in Japan to collaborate on a track for his upcoming album (another first for me).

It's been a great experience and my musical skills have really improved.
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I like the idea and will absolutely keep this in mind for in the future to jump on in. My goal for now is to find a more ehhh 'static' producer club to join. Just like how there are plenty of outcries of bands looking for a bandmember, surely there is something like that for music producers as well... right?

[Passing Bye]

Edited my answer before, guess reality check isn't that bad of an idea, so yes, teams like that exist and it's hard to get in if you don't have right connections or belong to their circles, those aren't public jobs, it would be awesome if you knew somebody and he was willing to put you under his wing, but reality is, if you don't, there's really no chance you get in, your friend have your best interest and it would be awesome if that was that easy, but in reality it's actually backwards, you first get experience and recognition, than opportunities like that kick in.

You can attend those expensive music production schools with famous lecturers from industry and rich kids, like SAE&co, there you can actual make good connections that can lead to different job opportunities.

It's not like there's shortage of producers or talents, there's even social media networks where artist can meet producers and vice versa, if anything, competition is really strong, you really need to be killing it to get noticed, so build your way up, if you can't deal with local job opportunities among people you know, you will have even worst time with absolute strangers, so think about it, maybe you are just an artist who should work second job, dealing with people is big part of producers job and if you can't deal with that, there's no other way really, unless some good soul is willing to do you a big favor and get you in his team where you just deal with fewest people as possible, but if you can't work in team, that you really aren't destined for that either, better find some artists you can work with and do your best.

All the best and sorry for reality check.

[Ferione Official]

I appreciate your elaborate response. It gives me some information to crunch over. First of all let me say that I wanted to reply earlier but a serious flu struck me and I've been down on that for nearly a week straight. I'm still recovering pretty seriously as I write this.

So let's start with that the situation is actually backwards. First you get experience and recognition and then opportunities coming. I know where this is coming from, people like to jump on the success train roughly speaking. I can't deny this is a legitimate tactic albeit as you said backwards.

As for attending these expensive music production schools, this might be a possibility since in the Netherlands there is this possibility to deduct education fees from the tax income above 250 euros. Basically, if you pay for it in one year (even if the length of the music production education is longer) you get your diploma as well as the networking opportunities for €250. Not bad if you ask me.

There is indeed no shortage of producers and talents. The problem I have is with competition because what can you really compete within something that follows typically the line off ' beauty is in the eye of the beholder' so wouldn't it be the same for the ear? But I guess what you're saying is that we are fighting over that dollar in the pocket of others.

I would like to know more why you think that working with absolute strangers is even worse than with people from local job opportunities. I can understand that when you know somebody it automatically works easier but the way you stated it sounds more like it's a make or break situation and i'm interested to know why that would be?

I'm aware that producers have to do with people and I'm not from an emotional perspective against that. It's rather that there is so much information, how people are, you know all these kind of dynamics that follow multiple systems, layers, and often are very randomised because emotions don't follow logic.

Now if that would be all poured into a logical dashboard or overview, like let's say a DAW I can keep track of it. But in reality communication much more fluid and although I want to understand it, it fatigues me too much and then I have no energy left for something else.

So just like a band, the singer is most often the person that is liked the most, the face we recognize with and usually, this person is also truly a people's person. I just know where my limits are and therefore I would like to do what I'm good at and leave the rest that still needs to be done but that I'm not good at to be for the rest of the team. Not to sound arrogant but I already think I can do enough for where my strengths are at.

The idea was that in order to understand what leadership is you first need to be under leadership. Therefore joining a small producer group. But this approach backfires so it seems so it's back to the drawing board.

[Passing Bye]

I appreciate your elaborate response. It gives me some information to crunch over. First of all let me say that I wanted to reply earlier but a serious flu struck me and I've been down on that for nearly a week straight. I'm still recovering pretty seriously as I write this.

Sorry to hear that, wish you fast recovery.

As for attending these expensive music production schools, this might be a possibility since in the Netherlands there is this possibility to deduct education fees from the tax income above 250 euros. Basically, if you pay for it in one year (even if the length of the music production education is longer) you get your diploma as well as the networking opportunities for €250. Not bad if you ask me.

Not bad ta all.

But I guess what you're saying is that we are fighting over that dollar in the pocket of others.

Exactly!

I would like to know more why you think that working with absolute strangers is even worse than with people from local job opportunities. I can understand that when you know somebody it automatically works easier but the way you stated it sounds more like it's a make or break situation and i'm interested to know why that would be?

As you taught, there's more trust and more productive workflow, but working with someone over internet in different time zone have it perks too, but downsides also, depends on how you like to work, personally I like to be in the same room where magic happens out of the bloom, instead of just doing revision over revision, waiting for answers and directions, over thinking things.

Now if that would be all poured into a logical dashboard or overview, like let's say a DAW I can keep track of it. But in reality communication much more fluid and although I want to understand it, it fatigues me too much and then I have no energy left for something else.

I understand you completely.

So just like a band, the singer is most often the person that is liked the most, the face we recognize with and usually, this person is also truly a people's person. I just know where my limits are and therefore I would like to do what I'm good at and leave the rest that still needs to be done but that I'm not good at to be for the rest of the team. Not to sound arrogant but I already think I can do enough for where my strengths are at.

The idea was that in order to understand what leadership is you first need to be under leadership. Therefore joining a small producer group. But this approach backfires so it seems so it's back to the drawing board.

Know what you mean and some team would be happy to have you, but in the meantime maybe try to make your own team, you know your strengths and weaknesses, work dynamics, so maybe throw yourself in the fire and become a leader, on your terms.

I have an artist I really like to work with and there's this crazy energy between us, he always do whatever I want and add even more, so he became my go-to guy, I expose him to some of the things I work on and magic always happens when he get involved and do his thing, so yeah, maybe go that route, find awesome people with whom you can work with and who feel precious to your way of working, for example I have him 2 hours a day, just get his fresh ears inspiration.

[whyterabbyt]

I want to keep the haters out and the quality replies in.

yeah, flamebait's always good for that.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Not sure if this is what you're looking for, and it is pretty experimental, but I joined up with the Disquiet Junto a couple months ago, and it's completely changed my music production. It is a group of 1000+ music producers who participate in weekly music assignments, usually strange and bizarre music assignments, and then post their work together on SoundCloud.

For example, this week's project is to "experiment with a sound sent via Bluetooth. Work to find situations in which Bluetooth begins to fail, where the sonic signature of that signal failure becomes apparent. This will likely be due to distance, but you may find other creative approaches to achieve the distortion." Then you have to create an original track from that. These projects really get you thinking creatively.

You can find more information at: https://disquiet.com/2013/04/25/disquiet-junto-faq/

So why should you consider it? Other producers will actually listen to your stuff and comment. When I post a track to the group, I get 50 to 100 people listening. From my own experience, I've gone from finishing two or three tracks a year, to finishing two or three a month. One of those tracks was picked up by a small label in Europe (a first for me), and I was invited by another group member in Japan to collaborate on a track for his upcoming album (another first for me).

It's been a great experience and my musical skills have really improved.

I remember seeing some stuff about this via the Youtube channel -
Carl-Mikael's Cabinet of Curiosities. I thought it sounded like a great idea, but promptly forgot about it. Might have to check it out once more, and maybe even joing in.

Thanks for the reminder

[debra1rlo]

I actually work in a studio with a producer you may have heard of (you have probably heard some of his productions even if you didn't know his name - South Park - the TV show, Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Elliott Smith, Meredith Brooks) But I am definitely a SJW, so you don't need to hear what I have to say. Toodles.

[funky lime]

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[Ferione Official]

I appreciate your elaborate response. It gives me some information to crunch over. First of all let me say that I wanted to reply earlier but a serious flu struck me and I've been down on that for nearly a week straight. I'm still recovering pretty seriously as I write this.

Sorry to hear that, wish you fast recovery.

As for attending these expensive music production schools, this might be a possibility since in the Netherlands there is this possibility to deduct education fees from the tax income above 250 euros. Basically, if you pay for it in one year (even if the length of the music production education is longer) you get your diploma as well as the networking opportunities for €250. Not bad if you ask me.

Not bad ta all.

But I guess what you're saying is that we are fighting over that dollar in the pocket of others.

Exactly!

I would like to know more why you think that working with absolute strangers is even worse than with people from local job opportunities. I can understand that when you know somebody it automatically works easier but the way you stated it sounds more like it's a make or break situation and i'm interested to know why that would be?

As you taught, there's more trust and more productive workflow, but working with someone over internet in different time zone have it perks too, but downsides also, depends on how you like to work, personally I like to be in the same room where magic happens out of the bloom, instead of just doing revision over revision, waiting for answers and directions, over thinking things.

Now if that would be all poured into a logical dashboard or overview, like let's say a DAW I can keep track of it. But in reality communication much more fluid and although I want to understand it, it fatigues me too much and then I have no energy left for something else.

I understand you completely.

So just like a band, the singer is most often the person that is liked the most, the face we recognize with and usually, this person is also truly a people's person. I just know where my limits are and therefore I would like to do what I'm good at and leave the rest that still needs to be done but that I'm not good at to be for the rest of the team. Not to sound arrogant but I already think I can do enough for where my strengths are at.

The idea was that in order to understand what leadership is you first need to be under leadership. Therefore joining a small producer group. But this approach backfires so it seems so it's back to the drawing board.

Know what you mean and some team would be happy to have you, but in the meantime maybe try to make your own team, you know your strengths and weaknesses, work dynamics, so maybe throw yourself in the fire and become a leader, on your terms.

I have an artist I really like to work with and there's this crazy energy between us, he always do whatever I want and add even more, so he became my go-to guy, I expose him to some of the things I work on and magic always happens when he get involved and do his thing, so yeah, maybe go that route, find awesome people with whom you can work with and who feel precious to your way of working, for example I have him 2 hours a day, just get his fresh ears inspiration.

I appreciate your replies, will be thinking about if I can be the leader and be in the fire.

[jancivil]

If you want a living in this you're going to have to extend yourself and be genuinely sociable and give people something that makes them gravitate to you organically. One guy found that getting heard more made him more productive. It's not just that people are exposed to you, they want to interact.

The use of shite like "SJW" is a terrifically poor approach in this regard and a bad sign afaic. You're alienating people to no positive result. IE: buh-bye.