Why you left Bitwig?

[dellboy]

The positive side of Bitwigs pricing scheme is that they do not charge extra for upgrading from versions 1 amd 2 like Steinberg and maybe some others do.

If you upgrade Cubase every upgrade cycle and wait for the sale the upgrade is quite low. But if you leave it for a few versions the price increases for each old version exponentially.

Its possible to wait for the Bitwig sale and upgrade from version 1 for $129 which makes it seem more reasonable.

[EnGee]

So, even if I like Bitwig and its team especially Claes that made his previous gem a free open source synth, that doesn't make me a blind loyal.

I'm happy the world is so simple for you - obviously one needs to be a 'blind loyal' if they like something you don't

I have no idea what do you mean! Are you drunk?

[wasabi25]

Yeah.
Idk. So many little bugs.
I might try to sell it here... But who knows how much I could get back. I've got it 3 months back... So who knows.
Plugins seems to take longer to launch than in Live 10. I've had some weird audio glitches with a bunch of plugins that work just fine on Live...
And the workflow... Some things just kinda suck in my opinion.

[machinesworking]

I haven't left it, but I'm playing around a lot with Logic 10.5. It's hard to deny how much power is in Logic at this point. But in many ways I really love the layout of Bitwig, thePush 2 script and all of Moss's scripts are fantastic.
Logic on the other hand automaps your controller, it's pretty cool, but it goes from tying your hands to alien languages in terms of where to even start to modify it in a drop of a hat.

[Biscotto]

I put a lot of time in BWS recently and at the end of the day, it’s a strange thing, but my creativity seems to hold back a lot and when I open Ableton after just few minutes the creativity starts flowing again in an interrupted way.
Modulat takes care of my modulations needs and in Ableton they are actually Global!

Also the Grid was a big distraction and the tools in m4l are mind blowing for creativity.

The audio containers in BW had no real advantage over the immediate workflow I can execute in Live and the Simpler slicing feature with sensitivity is for me irreplaceable.

I still go back to BW to keep faith with the program but for now:
The “Goal is my Music” not the Daw.

[wasabi25]

I put a lot of time in BWS recently and at the end of the day, it’s a strange thing, but my creativity seems to hold back a lot and when I open Ableton after just few minutes the creativity starts flowing again in an interrupted way.
Modulat takes care of my modulations needs and in Ableton they are actually Global!

Also the Grid was a big distraction and the tools in m4l are mind blowing for creativity.

The audio containers in BW had no real advantage over the immediate workflow I can execute in Live and the Simpler slicing feature with sensitivity is for me irreplaceable.

I still go back to BW to keep faith with the program but for now:
The “Goal is my Music” not the Daw.

Man, exactly...
I wanna like bitwig... Maybe 2 versions from now?
I still think on Live it's a lot easier to get things done.
In BWS sometimes you gotta dig and dig.
I find ableton more straightforward.

[anttimaatteri]

The positive side of Bitwigs pricing scheme is that they do not charge extra for upgrading from versions 1 amd 2 like Steinberg and maybe some others do.

If you upgrade Cubase every upgrade cycle and wait for the sale the upgrade is quite low. But if you leave it for a few versions the price increases for each old version exponentially.

Its possible to wait for the Bitwig sale and upgrade from version 1 for $129 which makes it seem more reasonable.

yea but the problem is, that you are left alone with the fuckin bugs in your version too. i just stopped it then, until they will come around with the full package they promised. maybe its 4.0, but i already paid the same amount of moneys as i had to for ableton suite 10. and the latter one had the far more convincing package all in all. the one reason i was into bitwig was delivered simply too late and now i dont even care about it anymore.

[wasabi25]

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[Biscotto]

I put a lot of time in BWS recently and at the end of the day, it’s a strange thing, but my creativity seems to hold back a lot and when I open Ableton after just few minutes the creativity starts flowing again in an interrupted way.
Modulat takes care of my modulations needs and in Ableton they are actually Global!

Also the Grid was a big distraction and the tools in m4l are mind blowing for creativity.

The audio containers in BW had no real advantage over the immediate workflow I can execute in Live and the Simpler slicing feature with sensitivity is for me irreplaceable.

I still go back to BW to keep faith with the program but for now:
The “Goal is my Music” not the Daw.

Man, exactly...
I wanna like bitwig... Maybe 2 versions from now?
I still think on Live it's a lot easier to get things done.
In BWS sometimes you gotta dig and dig.
I find ableton more straightforward.

Even 2 versions from now, the core concept is there and it can only evolve into the path they have carved for themselves.
It is like a great new kitchen (Ableton being the old one) with all new "cool" tools and by the time the chef has done with them, the chef starved to death!

Seriously, BWS came out with some refreshing approaches and tools, but it doesn't necesserely mean it's better for making music.

[Biscotto]

Double post

[SLiC]

Bitwig is just a few guys- they have 3-4 developers I think...Ableton are a massive company with a long history. I somehow feel more connected to Bitwig and part of the journey.

I have been with Live since 4 (and am still a user with 10 suite) and I can't honestly say I am more productive with Bitwig- Live is focused and does what it does well...but I just do music for fun and I love losing hours with MPE, the Grid and the modulation stuff (especially with with my modular). I have also grown to live the sampler in Bigwig more, but that just personal choice.

I could never do in Max what I can do in the Grid, but I also love the tools other people develop MAX...so they both have a place for me...the Grid is easy to use, intuitive and properly integrated in to the workflow...whenever I try to ue max I always feel like I am starting /entering a different program.

As for me- On windows I have no bugs with Bitwig and if anything I find it snapper and faster than Live 10 and definitely better on CPU (there are lots of posts on this on the Live forum) but both are perfectly usable for what I do, I just really miss the pop up browser in Live...hopefully more collections will come soon to Live and that will help.

I guess its all about what works for you productively and/or what you find interesting/enjoy- I am glad I don't have to leave either

[JoaquinAce]

It's interesting to read all the different opinions on Bitwig. Bitwig is the first DAW I open to work, but I have never completed a full track in it. I use it to generate ideas, sounds, loops etc and then move into Cubase for the arrangement and mixing. One of these days I'll venture out and do the full mix in Bitwig, but it's hard to move slow during a full arrangement when I know I am so much faster in Cubase and have deadlines looming. Of course the question remains if I can be even faster in Bitwig, since it's possible to set up the shortcuts similar to Cubase. It might be worthwhile getting a template of a full track in Bitwig to see how they did all the routings, while keeping everything organized.

[Biscotto]

I guess its all about what works for you productively and/or what you find interesting/enjoy- I am glad I don't have to leave either

That's the way it is!
I own 11 DAWs and Ableton is the one that allows me to reach my creativity to its fullest.
I need to connect to my tool based on results. Nothing Else.
Our Life is on the move.

[pdxindy]

Bitwig is just a few guys- they have 3-4 developers I think...Ableton are a massive company with a long history. I somehow feel more connected to Bitwig and part of the journey.

I have been with Live since 4 (and am still a user with 10 suite) and I can't honestly say I am more productive with Bitwig- Live is focused and does what it does well...but I just do music for fun and I love losing hours with MPE, the Grid and the modulation stuff (especially with with my modular). I have also grown to live the sampler in Bigwig more, but that just personal choice.

I could never do in Max what I can do in the Grid, but I also love the tools other people develop MAX...so they both have a place for me...the Grid is easy to use, intuitive and properly integrated in to the workflow...whenever I try to ue max I always feel like I am starting /entering a different program.

As for me- On windows I have no bugs with Bitwig and if anything I find it snapper and faster than Live 10 and definitely better on CPU (there are lots of posts on this on the Live forum) but both are perfectly usable for what I do, I just really miss the pop up browser in Live...hopefully more collections will come soon to Live and that will help.

I guess its all about what works for you productively and/or what you find interesting/enjoy- I am glad I don't have to leave either

These days there are 5 Bitwig developers...

I was happy using Live (used to be) except for MPE. Once I got my Linnstrument Bitwig became the choice for me. Once I got used to Bitwig, I couldn't go back even if Live added full MPE support. I just wouldn't want to be without Bitwig's modulation system. Especially for Bitwig instruments, Live doesn't come close to the capability of Bitwig's modulation capabilities. I use Bitwig's instruments much more than I ever used Live included instruments because of the modulation.

For a lot of people though, I can see why they would prefer Live. From what I hear, M4L has much improved stability these days. Back before Live 10 when I still used Live, M4L crashed constantly with anything more than small simple use. I hear it is much better now.

[xbitz]

I haven't left it, but I'm playing around a lot with Logic 10.5. It's hard to deny how much power is in Logic at this point. But in many ways I really love the layout of Bitwig, thePush 2 script and all of Moss's scripts are fantastic.
Logic on the other hand automaps your controller, it's pretty cool, but it goes from tying your hands to alien languages in terms of where to even start to modify it in a drop of a hat.

just showing how modulation can be transmitted between tracks in Logic

big m'eh (yepp another track and sidechaning to here also possible but that one is also m'eh), so please demo it carefully before changing (^^^ FL Studio has 6 developers ... )