Why you left Bitwig?

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[Echoes in the Attic]

I just wouldn't want to be without Bitwig's modulation system. Especially for Bitwig instruments, Live doesn't come close to the capability of Bitwig's modulation capabilities. I use Bitwig's instruments much more than I ever used Live included instruments because of the modulation.

I'm fairly new to all this, but I'm interested in this comment.

In what ways is the modulation system better... sounds like a lot better in fact!

I'm with Cubase at the moment but am looking at either bitwig or Live as my next DAW...so your comment on modulation is very intriguing! Could you expand a little please?

Many thanks!

Check out some of these vids:

[wasabi25]

I just wouldn't want to be without Bitwig's modulation system. Especially for Bitwig instruments, Live doesn't come close to the capability of Bitwig's modulation capabilities. I use Bitwig's instruments much more than I ever used Live included instruments because of the modulation.

I'm fairly new to all this, but I'm interested in this comment.

In what ways is the modulation system better... sounds like a lot better in fact!

I'm with Cubase at the moment but am looking at either bitwig or Live as my next DAW...so your comment on modulation is very intriguing! Could you expand a little please?

Many thanks!

Try the demo if you can.
You can modulate almost anything, even third party VSTs.
There's a bunch of modulators* you can use to do that, from random, to ADSR envelopes, and bunch more stuff.

[Biscotto]

Just to clarify and help to understand in advance:
The modulations in BWS are not Global and work in a hierarchy fashion but also in a more elegant and practical way than Ableton where the modulations are Global and work in any direction you desire and across the whole DAW.

Modulat is a paid m4l system that is extremely powerful with more powerful LFOs and MSEG type stuff etc.

Still, BWS encourages your modulation madness with a super and clever implementation and, for the “built in instruments”, superior even to Modulat when it comes to polyphony.

The usual suspects will chime in and explain in deeper details.

Ok. Time to go to sleep.

[antic604]

TBH I would be surprised if Bitwig survives another 5 yrs, their "non-sub" payment plan is not a solid foundation to run a business on. Revenue in that model is too variable and uncertain.

Why you think that? The whole reason behind the "upgrade plan" model was to spread people's payments over time and not concentrate them around big x.0 updates like for other DAWs. This helps a small team to have a pretty consistent cash flow and encourages them to push out meaningful, frequent updates more often, instead of "saving" new features for 0.x. Obviously it's highly subjective whether they've been able to keep their end of the bargain on the latter, but that's gonna be the case always and for every software, because you can't make everyone happy all the time.

[antic604]

I just wouldn't want to be without Bitwig's modulation system. Especially for Bitwig instruments, Live doesn't come close to the capability of Bitwig's modulation capabilities. I use Bitwig's instruments much more than I ever used Live included instruments because of the modulation.

I'm fairly new to all this, but I'm interested in this comment.

In what ways is the modulation system better... sounds like a lot better in fact!

I'm with Cubase at the moment but am looking at either bitwig or Live as my next DAW...so your comment on modulation is very intriguing! Could you expand a little please?

Many thanks!

Well, Cubase has barely any modulation features, so Bitwig's are infinitely better

Here's 3 very short videos introducing modulation concepts when 2.0 was released. I guess the main advantage compared to any other DAW is that the system is very fast, flexible and inviting, encouraging experimentation and creativity because you can quickly set it up and then adjust (or remove) it, unlike in most DAWs where it's quite a laborious process, assuming it's at all available. But you should also consider whether or not your music needs this? Because it can easily become a distraction and pull one away from finishing a song, precisely because it's so ...easy to endlessly experiment with it

[tooneba]

"Ableton vs. Bitwig" is like "VHS vs. Betamax"

[Ian Mackie]

Just to clarify and help to understand in advance:
The modulations in BWS are not Global and work in a hierarchy fashion but also in a more elegant and practical way than Ableton where the modulations are Global and work in any direction you desire and across the whole DAW.

Modulat is a paid m4l system that is extremely powerful with more powerful LFOs and MSEG type stuff etc.

Still, BWS encourages your modulation madness with a super and clever implementation and, for the “built in instruments”, superior even to Modulat when it comes to polyphony.

The usual suspects will chime in and explain in deeper details.

Ok. Time to go to sleep.

Thanks to all who helped explain the modulation differences in more detail. Very interesting.

I will look into M4L Modulat...looks cool.

Choosing Bitwig or Live in regard to modulation stuff, I guess it´s a workflow thing.

I´m off to do more research!

[WasteLand]

Just to clarify and help to understand in advance:
The modulations in BWS are not Global and work in a hierarchy fashion but also in a more elegant and practical way than Ableton where the modulations are Global and work in any direction you desire and across the whole DAW.

Modulat is a paid m4l system that is extremely powerful with more powerful LFOs and MSEG type stuff etc.

Still, BWS encourages your modulation madness with a super and clever implementation and, for the “built in instruments”, superior even to Modulat when it comes to polyphony.

The usual suspects will chime in and explain in deeper details.

Ok. Time to go to sleep.

Thanks to all who helped explain the modulation differences in more detail. Very interesting.

I will look into M4L Modulat...looks cool.

Choosing Bitwig or Live in regard to modulation stuff, I guess it´s a workflow thing.

I´m off to do more research!

modulat is certainly very cool, also very expensive, perhaps not in sale. very expensive, when not in sale (i don't know what it will be in sale). i didn't bought it, i bought bitwig studio 3.2.x instead (for me not much more money than modulat.. and it is NFR.... no licenses, just download.).

live 10 suite and bitwig studio life happy which eachother.

still have to go in depth with bitwig, so i decided, what i make, i will make in bitwig the coming weeks, to learn it. the basics i understand, what it gives me, personally, i don't know yet. (having more modular ecoystems, i tend to forget bitwig isn't fully modular... i must get used to it..)
@antic604 thanks for sharing the video's!

[antic604]

"Ableton vs. Bitwig" is like "VHS vs. Betamax"

That's a pretty adequate comparison - Betamax was technically the better standard, but VHS won because it got wider support.

[spacepluk]

..."wider support" meaning "more porn"

[Rivanni]

..."wider support" meaning "more porn"

That myth is busted long ago.

[spacepluk]

Oh well... but hey the myth was a lot more funny than: "VHS was cheaper and good enough"

[Biscotto]

Just to clarify and help to understand in advance:
The modulations in BWS are not Global and work in a hierarchy fashion but also in a more elegant and practical way than Ableton where the modulations are Global and work in any direction you desire and across the whole DAW.

Modulat is a paid m4l system that is extremely powerful with more powerful LFOs and MSEG type stuff etc.

Still, BWS encourages your modulation madness with a super and clever implementation and, for the “built in instruments”, superior even to Modulat when it comes to polyphony.

The usual suspects will chime in and explain in deeper details.

Ok. Time to go to sleep.

Thanks to all who helped explain the modulation differences in more detail. Very interesting.

I will look into M4L Modulat...looks cool.

Choosing Bitwig or Live in regard to modulation stuff, I guess it´s a workflow thing.

I´m off to do more research!

A word of advice if I may:

This Modulation "trend" is great in its own right but you will find, after using it for awhile (and here it come the storm of reply) that your VST and Audio with the inevitable well crafted Automation curves (Superb in the late Ableton) are going to be the heart of your music.

LFOs and Randoms etc. are great but again most of the VST today are so fantastic and deep that the need to add Modulations will gravitate your focus from Composing to Sound Design. It's ok, but when you test a DAW for Modulation craze try also to do some serious music writing and see if all the "Extras" are necessary or are more of a distraction/addiction.

I use Modulat to spice-up over the top and carefully avoiding the rabbit hole.

Also try to avoid the silly "compare analogy".
These two DAWs are really powerful tools capable of giving you a lifetime of pleasure.

I got into Bitwig after reading some great posts from “pdxindy” where he made some good points and got deeper in it following those super videos by Polarity on YouTube.
And then you’ve got “xbitz” capable of doing crazy stuff in every system and “antic604” going to the edge to finds solution for the seeker etc.

At the end = It is very personal and a workflow decision. You "First", DAW... "Second".

[Ian Mackie]

Just to clarify and help to understand in advance:
The modulations in BWS are not Global and work in a hierarchy fashion but also in a more elegant and practical way than Ableton where the modulations are Global and work in any direction you desire and across the whole DAW.

Modulat is a paid m4l system that is extremely powerful with more powerful LFOs and MSEG type stuff etc.

Still, BWS encourages your modulation madness with a super and clever implementation and, for the “built in instruments”, superior even to Modulat when it comes to polyphony.

The usual suspects will chime in and explain in deeper details.

Ok. Time to go to sleep.

Thanks to all who helped explain the modulation differences in more detail. Very interesting.

I will look into M4L Modulat...looks cool.

Choosing Bitwig or Live in regard to modulation stuff, I guess it´s a workflow thing.

I´m off to do more research!

A word of advice if I may:

This Modulation "trend" is great in its own right but you will find, after using it for awhile (and here it come the storm of reply) that your VST and Audio with the inevitable well crafted Automation curves (Superb in the late Ableton) are going to be the heart of your music.

LFOs and Randoms etc. are great but again most of the VST today are so fantastic and deep that the need to add Modulations will gravitate your focus from Composing to Sound Design. It's ok, but when you test a DAW for Modulation craze try also to do some serious music writing and see if all the "Extras" are necessary or are more of a distraction/addiction.

I use Modulat to spice-up over the top and carefully avoiding the rabbit hole.

Also try to avoid the silly "compare analogy".
These two DAWs are really powerful tools capable of giving you a lifetime of pleasure.

I got into Bitwig after reading some great posts from “pdxindy” where he made some good points and got deeper in it following those super videos by Polarity on YouTube.
And then you’ve got “xbitz” capable of doing crazy stuff in every system and “antic604” going to the edge to finds solution for the seeker etc.

At the end = It is very personal and a workflow decision. You "First", DAW... "Second".

Great advice and heeded.



Cheers man.