used gear prices

[anttimaatteri]

Agree on one point, OP. In order for me to buy a used piece of gear, it has got to be a significant discount for me to bite. If I can get new for an extra $100, I'll do it 9 times out of 10. It's a sliding scale based on the amount of risk I'm willing to inherit. Under $500? Screw it, I'll buy used to save $50. Over $500? I'll pay the extra $100 - $200 for a new one.

However, not everyone thinks this same way. $100 is a lot to some people, and saving $100 is the difference between eating and going to bed hungry (yea they probably shouldn't be buying gear in that case, but you know...)

From a sellers perspective, I'm going to maximize the amount of money I can get for my used gear. I evaluate the marketplace (what's for sale currently on the used market, what has sold recently, etc...), new stock across major sellers, and price from there. I'm in no hurry to sell my gear, and will gladly wait for a sale that gets me the most money possible. I like money, if people are willing to buy (which they are), I'm going to maximize my earnings.

thats a solid pov.
my rule is always
can´t hurt, if one is watching the second hand market over a longer period of time before buying it. don´t rush. i usually watch out 3 month minimum.
another one is
hunt for the older versions first on at least 1/3 to 1/2 of the original price. everything else is overpriced. ^^ at first. if its really used.

your $100 is pretty much save. nothings worth the risk for just 100bucks. unless its a brandnew modell, its almost new and its a SAVE buy.
if you buy new, a $100 extra over lets say 24 month on an installment plan is even worth more than paying 100 less on second hand risks. better to have something and working with it, than waiting 2-3 years doin nothing.

the sellers pov is pretty much clear by itself. it is was it is. buyers can change that by not buying on to high prices. ^^

[cptgone]

im just curious as to the logic behind offering a less desirable item (used vs new...buying from a stranger vs buying from a vendor) for nearly (and sometime more with shipping) full new prices.

- sellers who aren't pressed, who will only sell at what they regard as a fair price
- buyers who haven't found the deals
- convenience (instant, in person transaction / when new items are out of stock for months)
- buyers who browse used stuff and don't even check prices, thinking used = deal
- buyers who don't dare buy online / from tariffed countries / from China / ...

[Timfonie]

"Yamaha CS-80 (1978)
Extremely heavy and bulky instrument capable of some blistering brass sounds. Many unique features including velocity sensitivity and much sought-after pitch ribbon. Ring modulation good, as are offers of both glissando and portamento. A player's treat. Prices vary enormously but around £400-£500 is reasonable."

A mere £400-£500 was a reasonable price in the 1990's? That's just the shipping costs these days!

[chaosWyrM]

- sellers who aren't pressed, who will only sell at what they regard as a fair price
- buyers who haven't found the deals
- convenience (instant, in person transaction / when new items are out of stock for months)
- buyers who browse used stuff and don't even check prices, thinking used = deal
- buyers who don't dare buy online / from tariffed countries / from China / ...

but that doesnt tell me about the logic behind any of it
...also...none of those make sense.

1 sellers who aren't pressed-
ok sure...but what makes them think that more than the item costs new with a warranty and without the hassle of dealing with random strangers is "fair"?

2 buyers who havent found deals
we have already established there there arent very many of those kinds of buyers looking for these kinds of items. if you know enough about used gear to look on reverb for it...you know enough to not pay ridiculous prices.

3 convenience.
buying from amazon is cheaper safer AND more convenient. you get free 2 day shipping as opposed to shipping as high as over a hundred dollars that will take 2 or more weeks to show up. and i specifically said i was talking about new items still in production that are easy to find.

4 buyers who browse used stuff and don't even check prices, thinking used = deal
see 2

5 buyers who don't dare buy online / from tariffed countries / from China / ...
reverb is online.

[vurt]

dont buy it then

/end thread.

[cptgone]

:sigh:
I knew I shouldn't have bothered.

but that doesnt tell me about the logic behind any of it
...also...none of those make sense.

1 sellers who aren't pressed-
ok sure...but what makes them think that more than the item costs new with a warranty and without the hassle of dealing with random strangers is "fair"?

I wasn't talking about "fair", I'm "telling the logic".

2 buyers who havent found deals
we have already established there there arent very many of those kinds of buyers looking for these kinds of items. if you know enough about used gear to look on reverb for it...you know enough to not pay ridiculous prices.

The best deals I've found were new. From shops.
I recently sold stuff that was cheaper new, if you know where to look.

3 convenience.

I meant, when things are out of stock, or when the seller lives nearby, and you prefer not to stay home for delivery... etc.

5 buyers who don't dare buy online / from tariffed countries / from China / ...
reverb is online.

So? Reverb isn't the only venue. A craigslist style 2nd hand site is different from a webshop abroad: you can go to the seller's place, test the product... people who shy from anonymous online resale may prefer that.

[CapnLockheed]

I did a LOT of business on eBay for the last twenty years. Both as a buyer and a seller.
It's completely f#cked right now. Sellers are pricing themselves out of the market
because times are tough and they're desperate. But they're shooting themselves in the
foot. I've been seeing the same overpriced used gear being listed over and over. You know what they say about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Buyers are not as willing to buy right now because times are tough and they are desperate.
Also IMHO, as people, in general, have become more tech savy, there are less suckers out there than there used to be.

If online sales are any indication of the REAL state of the economy, I'd say were screwed.
Trump likes to boast about what a great job he's done for the US economy. Maybe that's true for the 1% and the corporations. But, for most of us, the bottom line has gotten a lot lower lately.

[chaosWyrM]

:sigh:
I knew I shouldn't have bothered.

but that doesnt tell me about the logic behind any of it
...also...none of those make sense.

1 sellers who aren't pressed-
ok sure...but what makes them think that more than the item costs new with a warranty and without the hassle of dealing with random strangers is "fair"?

I wasn't talking about "fair", I'm "telling the logic".

2 buyers who havent found deals
we have already established there there arent very many of those kinds of buyers looking for these kinds of items. if you know enough about used gear to look on reverb for it...you know enough to not pay ridiculous prices.

The best deals I've found were new. From shops.
I recently sold stuff that was cheaper new, if you know where to look.

3 convenience.

I meant, when things are out of stock, or when the seller lives nearby, and you prefer not to stay home for delivery... etc.

5 buyers who don't dare buy online / from tariffed countries / from China / ...
reverb is online.

So? Reverb isn't the only venue. A craigslist style 2nd hand site is different from a webshop abroad: you can go to the seller's place, test the product... people who shy from anonymous online resale may prefer that.

:sigh:

you are not tracking the direction of this conversation.

[cptgone]

you are not tracking the direction of this conversation.

Then that explains why I had the feeling I was wrong to reply, while I was replying.
My apologies.

[cptgone]

Sellers are pricing themselves out of the market
because times are tough and they're desperate.

I put a pedal for sale yesterday. I priced it relatively high cause I'm not in any hurry to sell (I'm not even willing to send it, collect only until there's a vaccine).

Immediately someone contacted me mockingly, acting as if -10% is ridiculous (my pedal is as good as new, still under warranty).

I understand his view, he didn't stop mocking me though when I told him that's my price.

Actually, my asking price is what I paid - which illustrates my point that buyers often fail to find the real deals.

[Doppelganger86]

It really depends on where you buy gear online. Forums and general listing sites tend to cheaper. Sites like reverb have high Prices partially because the sellers fees are a killer.

[itanever]

In some cases the price might depend on where the new product was bought. In my country buying gear from local retailers costs usually about 10-20% more than buying for example from Thomann. And if they operate mainly as physical stores, then the difference is even bigger. For example you can buy Korg Monologue for 244 euros from Thomann, but if you were to buy it from a local retailer, you'd be paying anywhere between 263 and 359 euros. So if you bought your Monologue for 359 euros you probably wouldn't want to sell it for 200 or less. Which I kind of understand. But then again, I myself wouldn't pay more than 200.

[tapper mike]

So... You'd rather deprive your government and fellow citizens of income. Must be a great economy over there.

[itanever]

So I should pay more because of what? Patriotism? Ain't nobody paying me more because of my citizenship or whatever.

[vurt]

delivery drivers need employment too.