Are unencrypted EXS24 samples supplied with Logic X?

[Xleth]

Hi, the AppStore page for Logic X states that the product includes: “Sound Library - 1,800 meticulously sampled instruments”

Anyone knows what format those samples are in? Is it still in the old unencrypted EXS24 format?

Or does the new "Sampler" (name for the new remake version of the EXS24 sampler) have a new, encrypted format that isn't possible to convert to other formats using e.g. Translator?

Thank you!

[Gamma-UT]

On my system, they seem to be the same AIFF and CAF samples they were before - but though I've got the latest version of Logic installed, the samples were mostly installed before Sampler replaced EXS24. So I don't know if a new installation will install different sample files (while leaving older ones untouched).

The instruments still use the .exs extension so I think a fair amount is unchanged under the hood. It's mostly a new paint job.

[Xleth]

On my system, they seem to be the same AIFF and CAF samples they were before - but though I've got the latest version of Logic installed, the samples were mostly installed before Sampler replaced EXS24. So I don't know if a new installation will install different sample files (while leaving older ones untouched).

The instruments still use the .exs extension so I think a fair amount is unchanged under the hood. It's mostly a new paint job.

Thank you for the reply! Can I have one more question?

It is hard to believe, but Apple doesn't seem to publish any kind of list of instruments supplied with Logic. Do you happen to have any such list? If not, could you please post at least a few examples of types of instruments included?
Also, could you please comment on the quality of the supplied sample libraries? Thank you!

[andypryce]

https://support.apple.com/guide/logicpro/welcome/mac

[Xleth]

https://support.apple.com/guide/logicpro/welcome/mac

Thanks for that link, but none of the PDFs actually answer any of my questions.

[andypryce]

The samples are unencrypted and the new Sampler still uses the old EXS extension.

Also I thought you were asking information about the included instruments
It can not get any more detailed than this pdf.

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[Xleth]

The samples are unencrypted and the new Sampler still uses the old EXS extension.

Also I thought you were asking information about the included instruments
It can not get any more detailed than this pdf.
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As I already wrote, I did read all the PDFs you linked to. They do not contain any list of the "1,800 meticulously sampled instruments" which Apple claims to supply with Logic. They mention only the virtual instruments (which I wasn't asking about) and only a few sampled ones. So, it can get much more detailed than that, I guess. At least the classes of sounds that are in that sampled library (guitars, organs, pianos, etc.).

If you compare that to the manual for NI Kontakt/Komplete, it contains not just a complete list of all sampled instruments in the Factory Library, but often also many details on how to control the instruments, etc. I don't need that, but at least list of types of instruments, before I pay $200 for something unknown. (I use Windows DAWs, so I'm not going to buy this for MacOS Logic, but only the samples).

[BertKoor]

None of the people I know that use Logic do so for the included samples. It's mostly for getting grown to like the workflow combined with an allergy to Microsoft Windows. The samples ain't nothing special. Logic users still shop around for them.

Me thinks that answers your question behind the question.

[machinesworking]

If you compare that to the manual for NI Kontakt/Komplete, it contains not just a complete list of all sampled instruments in the Factory Library, but often also many details on how to control the instruments, etc. I don't need that, but at least list of types of instruments, before I pay $200 for something unknown. (I use Windows DAWs, so I'm not going to buy this for MacOS Logic, but only the samples).

There are plenty of great general use libraries out there, Logic's is cool, but not to the point of buying just for the library. It's just for the most part bread and butter.

EXS format is pretty universal and more than 20 years old at this point so you have hundreds of libraries of comparable quality third party to choose from.

[Xleth]

1,800 sampler instruments in the open EXS24 format for just $200, officially sold with Logic -- that's not something I would skip without a really good reason. Seems hard to believe they would supply poor-quality samples with one of the best DAWs in the market. What would be the point? It would only make them look bad.
People sell average-quality glockenspiel in encrypted Kontakt format for $50. Now compare that to this $200 for 1,800 instruments that I can easily convert to any format. And then tell me I have no reason to buy this just for the samples.

[jonljacobi]

Most instruments are very good. Many of the samples, however, are grouped in CAF files in odd ways, and referred to in EXS files by offset. This makes direct export difficult. However, the new Auto Sampler creates separate files and makes it easier to use them in other DAWs.

[Etienne1973]

@xleth: You could buy Apple MainStage for $30 and have the same EXS24 content. I have ChickenSystems Translator 7 Pro but I didn't tried to convert already.