KVR Audio

billcarroll · Post by **billcarroll** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:52 am

BONES wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:02 am Is it just me or is Presonus's video guy, Gregor, a bit creepy? I was watching a few videos this morning and the combination of his voice and the way he looks at the camera totally creeped me out.

I think he does an excellent job. Might be just you.

THE INTRANCER · Post by **THE INTRANCER** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:31 am

BONES wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:19 am I actually watched about 20 of Gregor's videos last night, all 10 minutes or less (which is just about the limit of my attention span when it come to YT) and I got a lot out of it. Then I tried a couple of Tom (or is it Ted) Talks Audio vid's and they felt like a waste of time so I stopped.

What I find frustrating with Gregor's videos, though, is that his assumptions about what people do and do not know are very, very strange. He'll explain some basic concepts in absurd depth and then just assume you know how to do very specific things. e.g. Several times he says "I'll just duplicate this a few times" and you see his cursor skip along the track and all these copies seem to magically appear but he doesn't explain how that works and that is PRECISELY the kind of info I am looking for.

The problem with opening the application and trying to work it out for yourself is that you'll only ever work out how to do the things you already know to do. So, for example, all I'd learn is how much S1 is not like Orion or Cubase and how frustrating it is to try and use it the way I use those applications. OTOH, if you watch someone else work, someone who is a native S1 user, you (hopefully) learn how to use S1 in the most appropriate, efficient and productive way. I think that was a mistake I made with Bitwig - I just sat down and tried to work it out for myself and never got anywhere with it. It wasn't Orion, it was never going to work like Orion and I really couldn't see how else I might be able to work and get more out of it. I don't think I watched any video of anyone else using it, beyond the very basic stuff on their site at the time. OTOH, when we moved to Cubase, my bandmate kept feeding me links to some amazingly handy tips & tricks type videos and I found an excellent series of how-to vids on YT as well, which got me over that initial hump really easily.

Having made a complete switch from Props Reason which I acquired back in 2001 as my main DAW till November 2014 in which I switched to S1-V2.6 was in some ways a mixed bag, but the pro's ultimately out-weighed the cons, and I wasn't prepared for hell to freeze over with Props flagging behind other DAWs in features. I didn't expect these DAWs to be the same however what I did know was that I had strong foundational knowledge in which to quickly adapt what I already knew. Learning the actual program became more consequential in effect and I honestly didn't need to know everything, the most important bit was actually creating a piece of music and getting a feel for it...I had actually used version 1.0 of it which it first came out in 2010, but it wasn't as pretty as Reason or had that modular flexibility, I was used to. I've used Cubase a year or so back and there are a few similarities to Studio One I found like in the menu's and naming conventions. There are still things to this day that I feel Presonus needs to address with it's GUI... it's lack of GUI customisation options...however I've made music since the early 1990's with Bars and Pipes and Octamed Sound Tracker so I've seen worse.

The magnitude of positives far outweigh the cons though, and when your head is set in the zone of creating music, it's more of an automatic focus on that and that of the skills you have developed as a producer with the software, that much of everything else blurs into the background. As you get older, your patience to learn things gets shorter... If you find that your patience is getting shorter, you need to take step back and tell yourself that you neither not need to learn everything in a couple of days to use something or create something. Your brain is kinda like a slow cooker, and much of what you have learned in a day is actually processed when you have slept without you ever knowing it.

In regard to Gregor, he is of course German...he's pretty young, so he's not as rounded out in looks as some of are now who are now into our 40's and 50's. I think every nation has a distinctive look you can recognise, however so slight though and that's simply through genetics, before we get into accent, cultural differences... so on and so forth. His videos are quick and to the point, a bit more elevated than down to earth methodical, as if you were taught in class at school by a lecturer. Joe what's his name is much slower in pace in explaining things, and much more rounded headed, as well besides being a US citizen.

Personally I hate learning keyboard shortcuts, so I made templates that would make that easier, you can find the one's I created here that you can download from my extensions section for Studio One.

tonedef71 · Post by **tonedef71** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:37 am

BONES wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:19 am Several times he says "I'll just duplicate this a few times" and you see his cursor skip along the track and all these copies seem to magically appear but he doesn't explain how that works and that is PRECISELY the kind of info I am looking for.

I'm not sure if you eventually found your answer. Pressing the "D" key makes a duplicate copy of the selected event (i.e. clip). Pressing "Shift+D" makes a linked duplicate of the selected event (i.e. if you make a change to the original event, all linked copies sync the changes).

The F1 key brings up the searchable help viewer.

These key shortcuts work on the Windows version of Studio One; they probably are the same or equivalent on the OS X version.

tonedef71 · Post by **tonedef71** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:46 am

THE INTRANCER wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:31 amIn regard to Gregor, he is of course German...he's pretty young, so he's not as rounded out in looks as some of are now who are now into our 40's and 50's.

Gregor Beyerle is 33 years old. His hair greying on the sides is an interesting contrast to his "baby face".

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:26 pm

Does it really matters how he looks like and how old he is???

I think the more important thing is to have somebody apart of the (S1/Pro Tools) common rock/pop producer line demonstrating different more useful modern approaches of how to use S1...

I think he does a pretty good job and transports much enjoyment and enthusiasm for what he does... finally a tutor who doesn´t start every sentence with how this worked in Pro Fools...

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:44 pm

Trancit wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:26 pm Does it really matters how he looks like and how old he is???

As he does videos presenting his mug to thousands of people I would say... yes it does.

I don't think it's worth much of a discussion whether it matters or not. Especially as he wasn't attacked for his looks or anything.

Crossinger · Post by **Crossinger** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:32 pm

I met Gregor last year at Superbooth in Berlin - he's a very nice guy and with deep knowledge about Studio One. I had switched to Studio One just a couple of weeks before and he answered my questions patiently and in detail. Was a great experience!

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:43 am

Trancit wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:26 pmDoes it really matters how he looks like and how old he is???

He obviously thinks it is, as he puts himself out there when he doesn't need to. After a couple of his videos, I started skipping to where the screenshots started. He only does intros to camera, he doesn't impart any actual knowledge until you get to the screen captures. And some of those intros are 90 seconds or more, 90 seconds none of us will get back. It would be so nice to watch a video where you just got the info you came for, no plugs, no pleas to subscribe or anything else - just information from 0:00 to the end of the video. In fact, someone asking me to subscribe is a solid-gold guarantee that I will not. f**k you - make a good video and you won't need to ask, I'll subscribe because I want to.

Anyway, after watching 20 videos on Friday night, I got stuck in for a couple of hours last night and managed to bring two songs over from Orion without any problems at all. I did manage to make Studio One crash but it was probably my fault - I tried to replace an instrument while the song was playing - so I can avoid it in the future. There are things it doesn't do as well as Orion but there are other things it does really nicely that make up for those others. Overall, my initial impression is very positive and I have managed to overcome the learning curve much more easily than I had expected.

Still, it is a lot of work changing flagships, there will be 40 or more songs that will need to come across before I can really start using it as my primary host, and plenty more after that before I can abandon Orion and/or Cubase.

Wow! I am playing back the songs I've moved over and I actually think they sound better in Studio One than they do in Orion. There seems to be a bit more clarity in the mix, which could be down to me having to re-do it last night but it's possible Studio One is just doing a better job of summing the audio. Whatever it is, I am impressed.

Hewitt Huntwork · Post by **Hewitt Huntwork** » Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:04 am

Bones, it's not just you. Gregor has done absolutely nothing wrong. Very helpful and knowledgeable. But looks like a toy that came to life after we all went to sleep.

oneway · Post by **oneway** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:24 am

Making video content like this it becomes pretty apparent that the people who get the most value out of it are the people who enjoy some direct-to-camera discussion and real communication like you'll find in Gregor's videos. I know I do. Most of the KVR crew are not the type to appreciate these videos, thus these videos are not made for the KVR crew. A win-win all around!

RyanM12 · Post by **RyanM12** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:47 am

Strange thread. I'll go back to Gearslutz.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:09 am

oneway wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:24 am Making video content like this it becomes pretty apparent that the people who get the most value out of it are the people who enjoy some direct-to-camera discussion and real communication like you'll find in Gregor's videos. I know I do. Most of the KVR crew are not the type to appreciate these videos, thus these videos are not made for the KVR crew. A win-win all around!

Are you stupid? You can't have a discussion with a video and as these videos only have one person in them, he can't have a discussion either. I have no need of these or any other videos, I have need of information about the product. There are some absolutely brilliant ones out there and, equally, there are some diabolically bad ones, too. These are actually pretty good, content-wise, I just find the to camera intros a waste of time.

But I won't be watching any more videos because Studio One's documentation is much better than a lot of other software these days. So far I've been really impressed with it and it is so much more efficient when you are trying to learn a new application.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:22 am

BONES wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:09 am...There are some absolutely brilliant ones out there and, equally, there are some diabolically bad ones, too...

Wonder which one is this

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:26 am

BONES wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:09 amStudio One's documentation is much better than a lot of other software these days.

Wish they'd updated this one - it's very convenient to use but still for 4.5 (which means it's 95% valid, but still...):

https://s1manual.presonus.com/Content/Introduction.htm

monkeygenius · Post by **monkeygenius** » Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:35 pm

I saw over on Reddit that you can get a Studio One 5 Professional Crossgrade from any DAW for £150 until the end of the month.

Studio One 5 Available Now (5.3 Out June 29th, 2021)