Agreed. Mozart and Schoenberg used the same sounds but the results were very different!Tannaliini wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:56 am I see the "using same sounds as everyone else" as if comparing it to paintings: everyone is using BLUE for ocean so every painting will look the same! Nope, it is the way you use it. You can use totally unique sounds, but who cares about those "unique" sounds if your songs aren't good (or if you don't get anything finished since you can't get any unique sounds since usually ALL sounds are already made).
You remember the famous Faithless pizz sound? That was used in sooooo many songs back then, and those songs still sounded different even they had that very very in your face famous sound. Sure they had the same feeling/vibe, but then again that was exactly what listener was hoping for: to hear something familiar but same time something new.
Have Modern VST Instruments Replaced Your Hardware Synths ?
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- KVRist
- 139 posts since 23 Mar, 2019
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- KVRAF
- 35410 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
I'm glad for you. Even though Dune sounds absolutely nothing like a Virus. And vice versa, of course (disclaimer for the ones I stepped on their shoes again).
I really wonder how many people ever said that their Minimoog replaced their Oberheim OB-X.
- KVRAF
- 3053 posts since 25 Apr, 2011
- KVRist
- 455 posts since 13 Mar, 2018
No, you're right, it doesn't. I actually found more similarities between Spire and the Virus. The thing is, while I loved my Virus, I wanted the same quality in software, but a different sound. And after trying many plugins, that different sound I was looking for happened to be DUNE.
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- KVRian
- 722 posts since 19 Sep, 2007 from Germany
Dune 3, one of my favorite synths, can sound really different, it replaced my Korg Radias for example, because it can have a very similar sound, but with much more power and endless voices. I often had to use all voices from the Radias for just one sound, because that thing has way to few voices, like also many current hardware from Korg. If you want "voice stealing crap deluxe", just buy Korg hardware!
I also have the Korg Triton VST and that VST shows the differences between hardware and software very good, I have to use a Wave Shaper, because they just made a "puristic clone" of the original hardware. The same with the Korg Wavestation plugin ...
My DAW replaced every hardware sampler I ever had and can do much more, also Elektron stuff with the right plugins!
If I want Virus sounds, I use Nexus expansions.
If I want tons of really good quality vintage analog and digital synth samples, I use Omnisphere. It replaced for example my JD990 hardware
If I want a simple, but good standard synth, I use Sylenth
If I want ACID stuff, I use Phoscyon
If I want a fast wavetable layer synth, I use Rapid
If I want to collect millions and terabytes of samples or presets, I use my PC
The list is long ....
I also have the Korg Triton VST and that VST shows the differences between hardware and software very good, I have to use a Wave Shaper, because they just made a "puristic clone" of the original hardware. The same with the Korg Wavestation plugin ...
My DAW replaced every hardware sampler I ever had and can do much more, also Elektron stuff with the right plugins!
If I want Virus sounds, I use Nexus expansions.
If I want tons of really good quality vintage analog and digital synth samples, I use Omnisphere. It replaced for example my JD990 hardware
If I want a simple, but good standard synth, I use Sylenth
If I want ACID stuff, I use Phoscyon
If I want a fast wavetable layer synth, I use Rapid
If I want to collect millions and terabytes of samples or presets, I use my PC
The list is long ....
- KVRAF
- 7339 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
In the early 2000s, VSTs replaced the feeble collection of hardware I had at the time which I only noodled with, and allowed me to get more serious about making music.
In the mid 2010s, with a better personal financial situation and a new wave of cheaper hardware and Eurorack, I got back into hardware. I only use software synths as an occasional supplement to hardware synths now, and software sequencing as an occasional supplement to hardware sequencing. I do have a few hardware FX modules, but I rely on a DAW heavily for FX, mixing, recording, and as an expander to my modular hardware.
I would rather go back to 100% software than to try to go DAWless. Thankfully I don't have to make either of those choices and can keep using the hybrid approach that's working really well for me.
I've said it before, but for me the big deal with hardware is the approach and the inspiration, not some undefinable quantum physics fairy dust sound quality thing. (But it's true that software hasn't caught up with feedback loops, and is still a bit behind with audio rate modulation.)
In the mid 2010s, with a better personal financial situation and a new wave of cheaper hardware and Eurorack, I got back into hardware. I only use software synths as an occasional supplement to hardware synths now, and software sequencing as an occasional supplement to hardware sequencing. I do have a few hardware FX modules, but I rely on a DAW heavily for FX, mixing, recording, and as an expander to my modular hardware.
I would rather go back to 100% software than to try to go DAWless. Thankfully I don't have to make either of those choices and can keep using the hybrid approach that's working really well for me.
I've said it before, but for me the big deal with hardware is the approach and the inspiration, not some undefinable quantum physics fairy dust sound quality thing. (But it's true that software hasn't caught up with feedback loops, and is still a bit behind with audio rate modulation.)
- KVRAF
- 13196 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica
Yep (assuming you not counting my basses or guitars), I stopped using hardware synths years ago. Strictly software.
(I still use real preamps, compressors in my record chain,and guitar effects)
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(I still use real preamps, compressors in my record chain,and guitar effects)
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- Banned
- 123 posts since 24 Aug, 2020
I did try some hardware synths. But I feel more comfortable using software synths. 1. They don’t need physical space! 2. They usually give good demo to try 3. No so expensive
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- KVRian
- 595 posts since 10 Oct, 2018
There is a reason. The control surface of Roland System-8 is simply the best (for many). And the synth itself is the best (at least for me), despite being VA. Well, I shouldn’t say “despite”, cause good VA in good hands (relying not only on presets) sounds not less uniquely then A or a unique wavetable engineclipnotic wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:59 am There is no reason and no advantage still buying and using hardware and of course it's possible to use a PC / Mac on stage and more and more live musicians are doing this, except those, which are still thinking they're "elite", because they can create sounds like decades before or cover musicians, which still living in the past and want still sound like in the 80s / 90s.
Weapons of choice (subject to change):
Godin Redline, Kuassa, Fuse Audio, Audiority, Roland A-500pro, Dune, Dagger, TAL, Reaper for Rock & Synthwave pleasures; Viper and FL Studio for guilty EDM pleasures
Godin Redline, Kuassa, Fuse Audio, Audiority, Roland A-500pro, Dune, Dagger, TAL, Reaper for Rock & Synthwave pleasures; Viper and FL Studio for guilty EDM pleasures
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- KVRAF
- 35410 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
On the topic: I'm sure they did for a lot of people who used to use hardware. That's about it really. The ease of use, and better workflow way outweigh the maybe here and there better sound.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105790 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
has one set of useful tools replaced another set of useful tools?
no, i now have more useful tools.
no, i now have more useful tools.