The next Live update?

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antic604
KVRAF
5943 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:21 am

SLiC wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:14 am
If you bare 'bored' waiting for the next Live update I highly recommend these 2 (MFL) sequencer modules for Live :-)
Awesome! :o

Or just get this, if not Live user:

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https://hy-plugins.com/product/hy-seqcollectionwinmac/
MPC One / A4 Mk1 / OT Mk1 + Bitwig 3 / Reason 11 / Studio One 5 Pro @ Lenovo Y730 15'' i7-8750h
my music - https://soundcloud.com/antic604

SLiC
KVRAF
5440 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Post Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:31 am

HY stuff is nice, but the Max stuff is often free (or very cheap)

There is enough stuff here https://maxforlive.com/ to keep any muso busy for many lifetimes, a lot of the stuff is better (IMHO) than the stock Live stuff and unlike Live it is updated almost daily ;-)
Win 10 PC+ Surface with an X32 Desk, BWS, Live and Studio One, Hardware Synths + Eurorack, TD27 V Drums, Guitars, Basses and Amps

machinesworking
KVRAF
2626 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from seattle

Post Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:42 am

resistent wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:07 am
I've read somewhere that Ableton is re-coding Live's core code. I assume that they at the same time implement max/msp even better than now. And quite sure they will implement mpe and midi2. Maybe with Live 11 and Push 3?

Somehow I think 10.5 will bring bounce in place, an overhaul of modulation effects, and a improved piano roll.
Not sure where you would have read that, that's some super top secret stuff, but it's that kind of hope that keeps me from selling Live, and older song compatibility of course. I've used it since 2005 v3 roughly, and it's ubiquitous, makes it easy to collaborate compared to Bitwig and DP.

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antic604
KVRAF
5943 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:24 pm

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my music - https://soundcloud.com/antic604

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KVRist
256 posts since 4 Apr, 2006

Post Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:16 am

I remember before Live 10 came out they where beta testing it and there where accidental little leaks from high profile users.

Considering there's not even a shred of Info yet, I doubt Ableton Live 11 or 10.5 is coming tomorrow.

It's just confusing to me: either they are reworking the Live engine from ground up, which was thought to have happened already between 9 and 10 or they just don't want to change a winning formular too much and play it save.

I'm just wondering what their programmers have been doing in the last 2 year, it's a bit of a headscratcher

chk071
KVRAF
25454 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:52 am

As I mentioned earlier, I log into my Ableton account every month or two, and there's usually a new update for Live Lite. So, I assume that's what the devs have been doing the last 2 years: Further developing the software.

I have no idea about their release cycle though. Personally, I don't really approve a tight release cycle, when there's a new paid version released every year or two, but, that's just my personal view. I can see how it's successful for companies like Steinberg, and also Presonus now, so, I know where they're coming from. I rather skip one or two versions these days.
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whyterabbyt
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28783 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair

Post Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:06 am

docbot wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:16 am
I'm just wondering what their programmers have been doing in the last 2 year, it's a bit of a headscratcher
Well, some of them will have been doing this stuff:

https://www.ableton.com/en/release-notes/live-10-beta/
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revvy
KVRAF
1709 posts since 15 Feb, 2020

Post Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:21 am

whyterabbyt wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:06 am


Well, some of them will have been doing this stuff:

https://www.ableton.com/en/release-notes/live-10-beta/
Nice, fact-based posting.

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KVRist
256 posts since 4 Apr, 2006

Post Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:40 am

whyterabbyt wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:06 am
docbot wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:16 am
I'm just wondering what their programmers have been doing in the last 2 year, it's a bit of a headscratcher
Well, some of them will have been doing this stuff:

https://www.ableton.com/en/release-notes/live-10-beta/
sure, great. But they're no small company and must have resources to work on new features and squash bugs.

I'm sure a all new great version will drop at some point and all will be forgiven :ud:

ozinga
KVRist
164 posts since 12 Oct, 2003

Post Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:41 am

A lot is being expected from Ableton for the next update and all are big features like comping, ara2, mpe plus enhancements to general workflow, piano roll etc. If they are working on those that might explain the long silence and lack of feature updates.

machinesworking
KVRAF
2626 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from seattle

Post Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:49 am

ozinga wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:41 am
A lot is being expected from Ableton for the next update and all are big features like comping, ara2, mpe plus enhancements to general workflow, piano roll etc. If they are working on those that might explain the long silence and lack of feature updates.
I've used Live since version 3, bought the VST Pluggo from Cycling 74 when it came out. My honest take is that Cycling 74 have never been good at plug in hosting their amazing tech. Pluggo was abandoned when Ableton Live at v8 introduced Max 4 Live, and since then, I feel Ableton and Cycling have spent ten plus years attempting to squash bugs brought in trying to meld the two programs together. You just do not see sweeping changes to Live anymore, and this moment, when Ableton introduced M4L, is exactly when Bitwig's future developers split from Ableton to form their own company.

I haven't given up on them, but I remember reading an article with a main developer from cycling 74 saying he was glad to give up on VST, they had huge issues with it. Live 8 was the first version of Live I waited over a year to upgrade to, and my suspicions were right as people reported bug after bug.

I'm not trying to skewer Ableton here, but I truly think the reasons for the incremental changes compared to literally any other DAW in the last 10 years or so are due to them having to help Cycling rewrite huge portions of their code to be more efficient and stable in a host.

vertibration
KVRist
155 posts since 11 Nov, 2010 from ny

Post Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:00 am

I wouldnt expect a whole lot from Ableton. Its going to be a couple more years before word of Live 11 comes out. If people want activity, move on to FL Studio, they are super active with free updates for life, and getting better every single day

Reefius
KVRian
1081 posts since 7 Dec, 2013 from Earth

Post Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:03 am

vertibration wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:00 am
I wouldnt expect a whole lot from Ableton. Its going to be a couple more years before word of Live 11 comes out. If people want activity, move on to FL Studio, they are super active with free updates for life, and getting better every single day
No. FL workflow is horrible.

profaudio
KVRist
58 posts since 20 Mar, 2015

Post Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:12 am

Ableton Studio 11 will be unbelievable...

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antic604
KVRAF
5943 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:30 am

profaudio wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:12 am
Ableton Studio 11 will be unbelievable...
It's neither Ableton or Studio. It's called Live :)
MPC One / A4 Mk1 / OT Mk1 + Bitwig 3 / Reason 11 / Studio One 5 Pro @ Lenovo Y730 15'' i7-8750h
my music - https://soundcloud.com/antic604

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