Hi everybody!
I've been tryintg to post my question in almost all newsgroup and nobody has been able to answer me or to come up with something. I would lvoe to know if anyone can hlep me:
- How do you do to get this Fat and nice sounding Snare that (or almost) big time producers use on Ballades such as : David Foster, Walter Affanisief. It looks eveytime since that i listen a brand new ballade in the radio or in Cd.. its always that DrumKit with that amazing sound.. like example: Unbreak My heart (toni braxton) or Once sweet day (boyz II man) where or how do you setup (of course i'm not taling about micing a real drum.. But how with nice drum samples do you do to get or what to use as Compressor or who do you have to Eq your snre etc..
If anyone ahs an idea please let me know.. i would really appreciate a support.
Sincerly
My
How do i get this Fat and nice sounding...
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- KVRist
- 53 posts since 14 Jul, 2004 from Montreal/ Canada
MY
Music Producer/Mix Engineer/Entrepreneur
Music Producer/Mix Engineer/Entrepreneur
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- KVRAF
- 6937 posts since 4 Jun, 2004 from Utrecht, Holland
Maybe you don't want to hear this: its not about the actual stuff you use, but rather how. A nice full snare sound can be constructed with preferrably a sample of a nice full snare drum (duuuh) or layering a couple that complement each other.
Apply EQ, compression, pitch shift & not least: lushy "hall" reverb (or even combinations) to taste. Theres too much possibilities that all will work
Apply EQ, compression, pitch shift & not least: lushy "hall" reverb (or even combinations) to taste. Theres too much possibilities that all will work
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 53 posts since 14 Jul, 2004 from Montreal/ Canada
Hey Cookie!
How are you doing? Thank you for responding yo my question and i got your point that it is not the actual library you use its more how you use it. I got that. I know that i have tried some production and wanted to get that fat and nice sounding sanre and i got a little bit closer but and i know that i have to play with Eq's.. lusy Verbs but is there like a kind of parameter that they have.. because their snares sounds I mean the whole drum kit with the toms etc.. sound just amazing.. of course they have crazy materials but well.. if you have any insides.. please feel free to share if you feel like
Thank you again for your answer, i really appreciate it.
Truly
My
How are you doing? Thank you for responding yo my question and i got your point that it is not the actual library you use its more how you use it. I got that. I know that i have tried some production and wanted to get that fat and nice sounding sanre and i got a little bit closer but and i know that i have to play with Eq's.. lusy Verbs but is there like a kind of parameter that they have.. because their snares sounds I mean the whole drum kit with the toms etc.. sound just amazing.. of course they have crazy materials but well.. if you have any insides.. please feel free to share if you feel like
Thank you again for your answer, i really appreciate it.
Truly
My
MY
Music Producer/Mix Engineer/Entrepreneur
Music Producer/Mix Engineer/Entrepreneur
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- KVRAF
- 6937 posts since 4 Jun, 2004 from Utrecht, Holland
Well, Laakas, what can I say to that...
With reverbs (and all other effects) you first basically figure out what each plugin in your VST folder is capable of. Try some presets. Then twist some knobs to get an idea what it changes to the sound. Get to know your gear.
Maybe start with the free Kjaerhus Classic series effects. They are pretty basic so it shows you how it basically works. After you know them the more complex stuff will make more sense to you.
For big drum sounds you need a reverb with long decay time and sized large hall. Apply the same effect to the toms. There are plenty of ways to achieve that, depending on the host software you use.
Enjoy & experiment! Thats the only way to learn.
With reverbs (and all other effects) you first basically figure out what each plugin in your VST folder is capable of. Try some presets. Then twist some knobs to get an idea what it changes to the sound. Get to know your gear.
Maybe start with the free Kjaerhus Classic series effects. They are pretty basic so it shows you how it basically works. After you know them the more complex stuff will make more sense to you.
For big drum sounds you need a reverb with long decay time and sized large hall. Apply the same effect to the toms. There are plenty of ways to achieve that, depending on the host software you use.
Enjoy & experiment! Thats the only way to learn.
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- KVRist
- 72 posts since 19 Jun, 2003
First, and let me stress that his is the most important. You need a good sounding snare drum. All the processing in the world will not help a bad snare drum or even a good poorly tuned snare drum.
That said there is one plugin that can virtually get the sound you are looking for and that is "Inflator" by Sony. On the hardware side run everything through a Crane Song HEDD and you will be shocked!
That said there is one plugin that can virtually get the sound you are looking for and that is "Inflator" by Sony. On the hardware side run everything through a Crane Song HEDD and you will be shocked!
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- KVRer
- 5 posts since 21 Oct, 2004
hi there, i didnt read the replys to the post so this may already be covered. dont worry about getting that fat sounding tune, its everyones problems unless you are using those pansy programs that have perfectly normalised and phat sounding drum sounds which you drag and drop to the time line.
ok my two cents, for years ive been trying to get that phat sound that accompanys cd recordings. heres what i can tell you
1. for a start is the way it was recorded. most drum kits in the studio are miced with as many as 12 - 16 microphones. 1 will always be the direct sound of that drum with a specific mic for that drum eg, c1000's for the cymbals, sm58's 57's for the snares d112 for the bass drum and so on, not only that they may have 3 mics per drum. 1 at side 1 underneith and 1 at hit point. mixing the 3 will give you an awsome sound (as well as mixing the ambient mics above the toms for eg. So what do we do. we arent micing a real drum kit so you have to do thew next best thing and get 3 different but very similar beats and mix them together OR but i prefer the firt way, make 3 copys of the snare and eq one with more cut on the freqs 10 - 17 khz and noe with boost mainly in the middle 12 khz with a moderate Q setting not too pointy. Reverb seems to be everyones answer to good drums and to some degree i agree as it gives that depth or fake ambience you expect froma drum. add a tiny bit to the main impact drum and maybe add a totally wet 4th track at a very low level so low that you really cant tell if its there or not.
2. Panning - always overlooked. mixes can sound totally different if the panning is changed. for drums, the bass and the snare are always centre. ALWAYS! that is to say 1 snapre drum (if you are mixing 3 for eg) must be of centre panning. Others can be off centre but NEVER on the extreme left or right of the stereo field. this if you thing about it could be the reason most producers and sound engineeer have 3 of the same track, blend in the 3 intruments. for eg a far left cybal will only have a localisation to the left but will spill to the right (if looking and listening directly to a drum kit) so the 3 instances of this track would be extreme left to a tiny touch off centre right. snares and kiks are the beat so have to encompass the entire sound. At the end of the day its your ear that makes these decisions. People can whitter on (like this hehe) all day to whats a great sound, its just practice and experience that give it to you at the end of the day. good equipment, good plugins and samples are the bottom line to quality. mail me if you want a more direct answer.
good luck
rik
ok my two cents, for years ive been trying to get that phat sound that accompanys cd recordings. heres what i can tell you
1. for a start is the way it was recorded. most drum kits in the studio are miced with as many as 12 - 16 microphones. 1 will always be the direct sound of that drum with a specific mic for that drum eg, c1000's for the cymbals, sm58's 57's for the snares d112 for the bass drum and so on, not only that they may have 3 mics per drum. 1 at side 1 underneith and 1 at hit point. mixing the 3 will give you an awsome sound (as well as mixing the ambient mics above the toms for eg. So what do we do. we arent micing a real drum kit so you have to do thew next best thing and get 3 different but very similar beats and mix them together OR but i prefer the firt way, make 3 copys of the snare and eq one with more cut on the freqs 10 - 17 khz and noe with boost mainly in the middle 12 khz with a moderate Q setting not too pointy. Reverb seems to be everyones answer to good drums and to some degree i agree as it gives that depth or fake ambience you expect froma drum. add a tiny bit to the main impact drum and maybe add a totally wet 4th track at a very low level so low that you really cant tell if its there or not.
2. Panning - always overlooked. mixes can sound totally different if the panning is changed. for drums, the bass and the snare are always centre. ALWAYS! that is to say 1 snapre drum (if you are mixing 3 for eg) must be of centre panning. Others can be off centre but NEVER on the extreme left or right of the stereo field. this if you thing about it could be the reason most producers and sound engineeer have 3 of the same track, blend in the 3 intruments. for eg a far left cybal will only have a localisation to the left but will spill to the right (if looking and listening directly to a drum kit) so the 3 instances of this track would be extreme left to a tiny touch off centre right. snares and kiks are the beat so have to encompass the entire sound. At the end of the day its your ear that makes these decisions. People can whitter on (like this hehe) all day to whats a great sound, its just practice and experience that give it to you at the end of the day. good equipment, good plugins and samples are the bottom line to quality. mail me if you want a more direct answer.
good luck
rik