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AnX wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:56 pm
excuse me please wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:47 pm
AnX wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:11 pm which part was too difficult for you to understand?
Can't remember I had any difficulties as it comes to addressing your comments in this thread afaik.

But I do know, when I am speaking of "difficulties" and their possible consequences in audio production land that you don't have a clue about composition.
assumption
excuse me please wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:47 pm who is making the assumptions here? You don't know, apparently.
def looks like you...
Good,

Maybe you should discuss it with your psychiatrist; about what kind of projections made you trigger when you heard all those assumptions, lately.

I rest
my case.

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wagtunes wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:06 pm Saying "I like analog XYZ synth because...." whatever, is by definition opinion. Even if 99 out of 100 people think so, it is still opinion. People saying "The Beatles were the greatest rock and roll group of all time" is opinion.
It's obvious that for almost everyone, slight variations in pitch sound better than a precise, clinically consistent pitch. It doesn't matter if one person out of a 100 may perceive the consistent pitch as better sounding. For whatever reason.

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chk071 wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:12 pm
wagtunes wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:06 pm Saying "I like analog XYZ synth because...." whatever, is by definition opinion. Even if 99 out of 100 people think so, it is still opinion. People saying "The Beatles were the greatest rock and roll group of all time" is opinion.
It's obvious that for almost everyone, slight variations in pitch sound better than a precise, clinically consistent pitch. It doesn't matter if one person out of a 100 may perceive the consistent pitch as better sounding. For whatever reason.
Which is still by definition opinion.

Now, you can, if you can get the data, say that X out of Y people prefer brand X over brand Y. That is a fact. That they prefer it is still their opinion. It doesn't make brand X objectively better than brand Y.

I don't understand why I have to explain this?

Anyway, I'm outa here. Have a nice day.

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wagtunes wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:06 pm

Except you can't measure "sounds better".

Of course you can.

An expensive Gibson guitar sounds better that a cheap $50 guitar.

A Stradivari violin sounds better than a Chinese $50 violin.

A Moog One sounds better than an Akai Timbre wolf

Tom Jones voice sounds better than yours

Its what ears are for.

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wagtunes wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:15 pm
chk071 wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:12 pm
wagtunes wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:06 pm Saying "I like analog XYZ synth because...." whatever, is by definition opinion. Even if 99 out of 100 people think so, it is still opinion. People saying "The Beatles were the greatest rock and roll group of all time" is opinion.
It's obvious that for almost everyone, slight variations in pitch sound better than a precise, clinically consistent pitch. It doesn't matter if one person out of a 100 may perceive the consistent pitch as better sounding. For whatever reason.
Which is still by definition opinion.
No, otherwise a stone falling to the ground because of gravity would also be a opinion. ;)

"I like this better" is a opinion. Not 99% of the common population perceiving something as "better".


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wag is completely right though (in this case at least )

A stone falling to the ground can be measured objectively (physical reactions / interactions and stuff)
wether that looked (or was) good/bad/cool/dumb/etc. is the subjective part of that.
Even if 99% of earth's population thought that salt is bad, it's also subjective, because objectively they would be dead without it
Last edited by FapFilter on Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:12 pm, edited 3 times in total.
The GAS is always greener on the other side!

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excuse me please wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:09 pm
AnX wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:56 pm
excuse me please wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:47 pm
AnX wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:11 pm which part was too difficult for you to understand?
Can't remember I had any difficulties as it comes to addressing your comments in this thread afaik.

But I do know, when I am speaking of "difficulties" and their possible consequences in audio production land that you don't have a clue about composition.
assumption
excuse me please wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:47 pm who is making the assumptions here? You don't know, apparently.
def looks like you...
Good,

Maybe you should discuss it with your psychiatrist; about what kind of projections made you trigger when you heard all those assumptions, lately.

I rest
my case.
seems like you're the one who needs a shrink, if facts get you triggered.... you sound like trump :nutter:

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FapFilter wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:07 pm wag is completely right though (in this case at least )
Thanks, but for the love of God, please just let this part of the discussion die. I've come to realize that, with everything else wrong with KVR, some here don't know the difference between fact and opinion and there's nothing you or anyone can do to change that.

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dellboy wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:16 pm
wagtunes wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:06 pm

Except you can't measure "sounds better".

Of course you can.

An expensive Gibson guitar sounds better that a cheap $50 guitar.

A Stradivari violin sounds better than a Chinese $50 violin.

A Moog One sounds better than an Akai Timbre wolf

depends who is playing it....

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chk071 wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:12 pm
wagtunes wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:06 pm Saying "I like analog XYZ synth because...." whatever, is by definition opinion. Even if 99 out of 100 people think so, it is still opinion. People saying "The Beatles were the greatest rock and roll group of all time" is opinion.
It's obvious that for almost everyone, slight variations in pitch sound better than a precise, clinically consistent pitch. It doesn't matter if one person out of a 100 may perceive the consistent pitch as better sounding. For whatever reason.

its because its what we are used to, natural variations....

you couldn't tune 8 violins to be identical... you can on a synth....

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FapFilter wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:07 pm wag is completely right though (in this case at least )

A stone falling to the ground can be measured objectively (physical reactions / interactions and stuff)
wether that looked (or was) good/bad/cool/dumb/etc. is the subjective part of that.
Even if 99% of earth's population thought that salt is bad, it's also subjective, because objectively they would be dead without it
That's kind of flawed because everyone likes salt, which should prove that we need it. Which kind of negates your whole point.

It's not subjective that we need variations in pitch for something to sound good, because that's how our ears work. Analog.

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analogue is more sweet than salty :shrug:

32 bit is probably very salty.
:ud:

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It's not subjective that we need variations in pitch for something to sound good, because that's how our ears work. Analog.
It's objectively correct, that we generally prefer variation in sound, but truly objective is a totally linear microphone and recording device that does not colour the recorded sound the slightest. What people think of the results is the subjective part, even if objectively 99.9% of people prefer a highly coloured recording from a Neve console to tape - which of course is subjectively again (which can also change with time / era and also personal experiences / accustomizations)
And it's the brain that decides what's interesting/good/pleasant/boring/dull/eargasmic sounding, not the ear. The ear is probably the more objective part in the chain (albeit probably not totally “linear“ itself, but at least it only delivers information as good as it can, without making any decisions wether the input is pleasant, or alarming, good, or bad.
When certain people think that oriental/chinese/spanish or german folk music (or that of some alien life form) sounds silly, strange, boring or silly, it's because of personal perception and preferences. Objectively it is just some rhythmic and often also melodic progression or repetition, just like anything that can be regarded as „“music“ or “rhythmic constructs“
Same applies to metal, rap, trance, pop music, dubstep, everything really.
The GAS is always greener on the other side!

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chk071 wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:35 pm
That's kind of flawed because everyone likes salt
citation?

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