KVR Audio

Danilo Villanova · Post by **Danilo Villanova** » Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:32 am

REAPER would work well for what you want. Works as RW slave and is a very stable and low CPU host. If you don't mind the hassle of RW I think it's your best choice, unless you wanna go with a dedicated host instead of a DAW.

.jon · Post by **.jon** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:09 am

djmino02 wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:15 am I guess Rewire client is the preferred nomenclature.

The use case would be because Ableton is not a very good VST host and unreliably crashes.

From what I gathered the only DAWs that can serve the purpose of client and not host are: Reason, Ableton, and FL Studio.

Live is built for professional artists to be used on stage as well as in the studio. Its by far the most reliable and stable VST host.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:09 am

.jon wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:09 amLive is built for professional artists to be used on stage as well as in the studio. Its by far the most reliable and stable VST host.

Passing Bye · Post by **Passing Bye** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:11 am

djmino02 · Post by **djmino02** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 1:52 pm

Danilo Villanova wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:32 am REAPER would work well for what you want. Works as RW slave and is a very stable and low CPU host. If you don't mind the hassle of RW I think it's your best choice, unless you wanna go with a dedicated host instead of a DAW.

I could never get Reaper to work as a Rewire slave with Ableton. I can use Ableton as a slave in Reaper, but that's of no use to me.

As far as Ableton goes, it shows Reaper, Reason, and FL Studio as Rewire audio options and I can route midi to them too, but when I open any program secondary to Ableton, other than Reason, it never syncs up.

I gave up on using Reaper and opted for FL Studio, since it says on their webpage that Client Mode is an option but it doesn't work either.

Can't seem to figure out what the deal is since all I should need to do is open Ableton and then the other DAW should slave automatically right?

drdriller · Post by **drdriller** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 1:58 pm

.jon wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:09 am
djmino02 wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:15 am I guess Rewire client is the preferred nomenclature.

The use case would be because Ableton is not a very good VST host and unreliably crashes.

From what I gathered the only DAWs that can serve the purpose of client and not host are: Reason, Ableton, and FL Studio.
Live is built for professional artists to be used on stage as well as in the studio. Its by far the most reliable and stable VST host.

Live is my favorite daw for many reason, but it's not really a robust software while i've never seen reaper bug in any situation.

Danilo Villanova · Post by **Danilo Villanova** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:19 pm

djmino02 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 1:52 pm
Danilo Villanova wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:32 am REAPER would work well for what you want. Works as RW slave and is a very stable and low CPU host. If you don't mind the hassle of RW I think it's your best choice, unless you wanna go with a dedicated host instead of a DAW.
I could never get Reaper to work as a Rewire slave with Ableton. I can use Ableton as a slave in Reaper, but that's of no use to me.

As far as Ableton goes, it shows Reaper, Reason, and FL Studio as Rewire audio options and I can route midi to them too, but when I open any program secondary to Ableton, other than Reason, it never syncs up.

I gave up on using Reaper and opted for FL Studio, since it says on their webpage that Client Mode is an option but it doesn't work either.

Can't seem to figure out what the deal is since all I should need to do is open Ableton and then the other DAW should slave automatically right?

Have you asked for help in the Reaper forum? AFAIK it should work properly. Maybe there’s an annoying hidden setting that you missed. The forum is pretty helpful.

Maybe this thread can help:

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=166824

djmino02 · Post by **djmino02** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:24 pm

Cool. Maybe I'll try there.

So you're able to use Reaper as a slave to Ableton and run your VST plugins from Reaper instead of Ableton?

Danilo Villanova · Post by **Danilo Villanova** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:37 pm

djmino02 wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:24 pm Cool. Maybe I'll try there.

So you're able to use Reaper as a slave to Ableton and run your VST plugins from Reaper instead of Ableton?

I haven’t done it myself but that’s what a ReWire slave should do.

oneway · Post by **oneway** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:18 pm

I understand where you’re coming from and I’ve felt that way before too, but I’ve found that it’s better to figure out why your plugins are crashing your DAW and address the issue there instead of slowing your work down with restrictive workarounds.

Report issues to plugin developers. Make sure they can see the issue you see. Install the updated version and then when everything’s stable don’t update for a while. If that gets to be too much work, then prioritize plugins that are stable and have responsive developers. Be cautious with major updates, and use parallel installs if you have to.

Hope this helps- it took a lot of emails, a few versions, and uninstalling some deadbeat devs’ plugins but taking that approach overtime made me much happier with my DAWs performance. The bug fixes probably helped some other people, too.

djmino02 · Post by **djmino02** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:43 pm

I probably should do that.

I'm not familiar with parallel installs.

I've in the past tried reinstalling everything and then still had the same issues.

Ideally, I'd like to use Ableton for just mixing audio clips from another daw.

djmino02 · Post by **djmino02** » Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:57 pm

Well, I somehow got Reaper to work as a Rewire slave in Ableton, after having it for years with no success.

What I did was change the audio driver to dummy driver and now it seems to be working for my intents and purposes perfectly.

Too bad I can't get FL to work because I was starting to like the programs workflow and piano roll.

I tried changing the audio driver to none, thinking that maybe would get FL working but still won't slave to Ableton.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:03 pm

How about Renoise?

https://www.renoise.com/

.jon · Post by **.jon** » Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:15 pm

drdriller wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 1:58 pm Live is my favorite daw for many reason, but it's not really a robust software while i've never seen reaper bug in any situation.

I've used Live since v.7, crashed on me twice, both times when testing beta plugins. Never ran into a bug. Reaper, on the other hand, is so full of bugs that most people who actually try to use it give up on it after wasting months getting it to do the mundane tasks that simply work out of the box in other DAWs.

djmino02 · Post by **djmino02** » Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:06 pm

Hmm. I'm not sure but Ableton Live has always had issues with VST plugins, for me at least. I've never used another DAW to the extent I've used Ableton though.

From what I've read online it seems to be pretty common problem with Live that other users have as well.

The impression I got from Ableton is that their hands are clean from the issues because it's a 3rd party plugin causing the issues and not Ableton

Reliable DAW as Rewire slave in Ableton