Gforce Software, something new is on its way...

[SLiC]

Yes, having such restrictions and only one way to proceed is such a win isn't it.

I like HW as much as the next HW-liker but to try and wriggle around the fact that logistically SW has more options, is just kidding yourself really. HW has got other strengths, but not that one.

No wriggling from me- I also use both, but being able to use more than one of something at the same time isn't necessarily a good reason to use software (I have so many software VSTs I rarely use the same one twice, especially if its an analogue polly!).

Software is very convenient, doesn't take and I/O, easier to automate and recall patches, cheaper...lots of reason to stay ITB...but ultimately it comes down to 'sound' (and there is very little difference nowadays with good VA and real analogue) and tactile experience for me...that and it looks good in my studio and seems to make me happy in a way that software never can

Personally I have no real interest in either a hardware or VST CS-80, but I do think the Behringer DS-80 looks sexy!

[revvy]

Yes, having such restrictions and only one way to proceed is such a win isn't it.

I like HW as much as the next HW-liker but to try and wriggle around the fact that logistically SW has more options, is just kidding yourself really. HW has got other strengths, but not that one.

No wriggling from me- I also use both, but being able to use more than one of something at the same time isn't necessarily a good reason to use software (I have so many software VSTs I rarely use the same one twice, especially if its an analogue polly!).

Software is very convenient, doesn't take and I/O, easier to automate and recall patches, cheaper...lots of reason to stay ITB...but ultimately it comes down to 'sound' (and there is very little difference nowadays with good VA and real analogue) and tactile experience for me...that and it looks good in my studio and seems to make me happy in a way that software never can

Personally I have no real interest in either a hardware or VST CS-80, but I do think the Behringer DS-80 looks sexy!

Yea, it's pretty and looks very desirable for sure.

Last night I realized that with my old dude eyes, HW is actually more difficult in terms of the UI being too small and less adaptable than a SW GUI, even on well designed HW.. I'll stick with my few bits of HW for sure but the rest is SW for me.

I get my HW thrills from guitar pedals for my bass

[AnX]

how many instances can you run simultaneously for the price of a single unit?

As many as you like, just bounce the audio (mute the midi track) and then move on to the next track....no different than working with CPU Hog VSTs!

so not simultaneously then....

[SLiC]

how many instances can you run simultaneously for the price of a single unit?

As many as you like, just bounce the audio (mute the midi track) and then move on to the next track....no different than working with CPU Hog VSTs!

so not simultaneously then....

I am still not seeing a great advantage in being able to run a lot of the same polyphonic VA VST on track after track. It isn't something I would want to do personally, but if I did I would probably bounce anyway, so no real advantage over hardware in that case.

[chk071]

It has a lot of advantages. The most crucial for me being that you always have full control of the resulting sound, i.e. you can always tweak the sound a bit, unlike when you have to bounce stuff.

[WatchTheGuitar]

I am still not seeing a great advantage in being able to run a lot of the same polyphonic VA VST on track after track.

I just had this use case as I bought a TD-3, but wanted to be able to record a second 303 at the same time and be able to fiddle with the cutoff, resonance etc for both in real time. So I used my Roland Cloud 303 as a second one, recorded automation against that and then copied the automation (visibly watching the automation levels and manually moving the TD-3 knobs) over to a second TD-3 track once I’d recorded both, best of both worlds.

[Stokely]

Coming from a background of using hardware in a pretty big midi studio--software isn't just a little convenient, it's 1000% more convenient. I twitch a little thinking of all the patch changes, sysex and multi-timbral setups on keyboards, modules and fx units I had to do to recall a session...now it's "file > open" LOL!

I usually end up with many tracks of various synths, often Repro and Diva if I'm going for more of a vintage synth sound...each track gets their own synth, I like being able to change things (especially when working on my buddy's tunes, he gets pretty picky!). I had to freeze tracks on one recent song as I overdid it a bit, especially because I put all the synths in their highest quality in order to render them out for him to mix in Pro Tools. That was like 30 instances of those two plugins, so not really a typical song situation. Freezing tracks of course still lets you change things, just have to unfreeze that track to make the change. Bouncing of course means you are done. I can't see a reason I'd ever bounce in a DAW--I'd render the synth tracks as audio first if I knew the patch was a keeper but I'd still want them separate in order to be able to automate them during mixes, tweak the effects etc.

I still use hardware live though, don't want to bring a laptop out to my piddly bar and club gigs. I do agree that there is something inspiring about a room full of keyboards. Especially vintage ones--in college we had a synth lab with some Moogs, an Arp and various other things and it was like stepping into a mad scientist's lab. My "studio" at home looks like an ordinary computer desk except for the one controller keyboard, not the same vibe!

Anyway, really looking forward to seeing what this might be!

[WatchTheGuitar]

Dave Spiers is on Sonicstate right now, but nothing said yet as he’s claiming he’s just on to beg Dave Smith to give him a discount on a new Prophet 5.

[SLiC]

It has a lot of advantages. The most crucial for me being that you always have full control of the resulting sound, i.e. you can always tweak the sound a bit, unlike when you have to bounce stuff.

Oh I agree its easier and more flexible, but bouncing hardware isn't committing, you still have the midi file/automation so you can go back to it at any time, tweak and re-bounce. If there weren't pros and cons we would all be using just hardware or software...I suspect a lot of us do both, and Behringer (et al) making good analogue hardware very cheaply available has opened the game up a bit.

Sometimes you just cant put a price on not staring at a computer screen and holding a mouse...especially when you work on a computer screen all day!

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Dave Spiers is on Sonicstate right now, but nothing said yet as he’s claiming he’s just on to beg Dave Smith to give him a discount on a new Prophet 5.

I would also very much like that discount!

[WatchTheGuitar]

Dave Spiers is on Sonicstate right now, but nothing said yet as he’s claiming he’s just on to beg Dave Smith to give him a discount on a new Prophet 5.

I would also very much like that discount!

Yes, about 95% off or no deal as I’m too skint

[LauriT]

Dave Spiers is on Sonicstate right now,

Arp Quadra in the background.

[Krakatau]

Perhaps, agains all odds, ...an FX plugin ?

[leeleema]

Sorry, double post

[leeleema]

Can anyone explain what is so terrible about the Arturia versions of the CS-80 and Arp 2600? They sound perfectly decent to my ears and no I don't have the originals to A/B against