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Spring Goose · Post by **Spring Goose** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:05 am

an-electric-heart wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:35 am
Spring Goose wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:21 am
deastman wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:45 pm
Spring Goose wrote: Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:49 pm
an-electric-heart wrote: Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:11 pm I myself am going to try a new genre for my next musical project. I actually really really really wanted to start doing Big Beat... but apparently it's as dead as can be, and everybody hates it.
i like big beat
I like big beat
Are you hearing us electric heart? We want big beat.
I sure am! Quite funny. I'm real late to the "big beat" party. I love The Prodigy (especially Jilted and Fat of the Land), but I always thought they were their own thing, then ATS said "If you like The Prodigy you should check out The Chemical Brothers"... And so I did, and yes: they're awesome! I only ever heard the singles back in the day, but it didn't really grab me, now I'm right into them. Now I find out they're all lumped in together as a thing called "Big Beat"... I think I could see myself leading the Big Beat revival.
God knows I most certainly do not like what's happening in dance music these days.

If you can get hold of a cd called Jon Carter - Live At The Heavenly Social, that's my favourite big beat. Another one is Jon Carter Essential Mix 4. I love this early Jon Carter flavour of big beat.

Here's Essential Mix 4:
https://soundcloud.com/scoobygit/jon-ca ... tial-mix-4
If you like it they have it on Music Magpie for £5 (if you're uK)

Here is part of Live At Heavenly Social (it's a cut down version):
https://soundcloud.com/gary-baker-36/li ... nly-social

I'll join you with the big beat revival. I'd rather hearing big beat than the current EDM.

schmerzschlag · Post by **schmerzschlag** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:29 pm

We are like 25 years past ... Planet Dust. This pathetic world for sure needs some Big Beat Revival.
Don't know, why it's so hated or frowned upon or looked down on. Fook haters. Couldn't care less anyway.
Three years ago I actually got back to music making after like close to 20 years to finally make some big beat. Did I do it? I did do a lot of stuff, but Big Beat? ... Sigh ...
November is coming. Maybe I should participate in NaSoAlMo again, lock myself up in my bedroom with the matrix trilogy, my laptop, a shitload of drum samples, a juno and a simpler. And Decapitator.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:42 pm

schmerzschlag wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:29 pm We are like 25 years past ... Planet Dust. This pathetic world for sure needs some Big Beat Revival.
Don't know, why it's so hated or frowned upon or looked down on. Fook haters. Couldn't care less anyway.

honestly, i think people just got a bit sick of it.
yes, there was some great stuff.
but then it got too big, and was everywhere every advert, film, radio station.
it became too much, when everything is "bangin!" nothing bangs anymore

we needed the big chill that swept in behind it, with bands like royksopp/bonobo/pilote etc getting a few chart hits.
that didnt outstay its welcome so much but still doesnt get much mention either.

but, what im saying is, if you do big beat, tryto foster a chill/lounge counterpart.
my knees cant take all night dancing, i need the ocassional sit down and hug out session

schmerzschlag · Post by **schmerzschlag** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:21 pm

vurt wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:42 pm honestly, i think people just got a bit sick of it.
yes, there was some great stuff.
but then it got too big, and was everywhere every advert, film, radio station.
it became too much, when everything is "bangin!" nothing bangs anymore

I blame Liam H.

'Cause someone has to be guilty of being a lazy bum, putting out the same old banger again and again.

No, you're probably right. Especially big mainstream TV ads didn't help, I think. But that's a problem I have with today's "EDM" and genres like dubstep, too. Everything's a "banger." Lol.

but, what im saying is, if you do big beat, tryto foster a chill/lounge counterpart.
my knees cant take all night dancing, i need the ocassional sit down and hug out session

Totally. I have really bad knees, too.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:34 pm

i think it was more likely norman cook. releasing a single every other week.
not to mention all the big beat remixes of all the indie stuff

it was just too much!

schmerzschlag · Post by **schmerzschlag** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:44 pm

Yep, probably. And I never really liked the guy. ;D

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:48 pm

he did a few good bits, but a hell of a lot of "filler" material on the albums.
and the housemartins were good fun

dark water · Post by **dark water** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:56 pm

vurt wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:42 pm
schmerzschlag wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:29 pm We are like 25 years past ... Planet Dust. This pathetic world for sure needs some Big Beat Revival.
Don't know, why it's so hated or frowned upon or looked down on. Fook haters. Couldn't care less anyway.

honestly, i think people just got a bit sick of it.
yes, there was some great stuff.
but then it got too big, and was everywhere every advert, film, radio station.
it became too much, when everything is "bangin!" nothing bangs anymore
we needed the big chill that swept in behind it, with bands like royksopp/bonobo/pilote etc getting a few chart hits.
that didnt outstay its welcome so much but still doesnt get much mention either.

but, what im saying is, if you do big beat, tryto foster a chill/lounge counterpart.
my knees cant take all night dancing, i need the ocassional sit down and hug out session

Not sure if the eclectic Coldcut ever nailed their colours to the Big Beat mast, but they certainly incorporated elements of it along with chill out and general sampling wizardry etc, as per this great album:

Another name that suddenly comes floating back to me who dabbled in Big Beat were Bentley Rhythm Ace:

Spring Goose · Post by **Spring Goose** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:59 pm

Big beats are best.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:01 pm

coldcut did a few tracks that would fit big beat i guess, but im not sure they were anything in particular, as you say, very eclectic, the dark spolen word stuff (that place/every home a prison) those kinds of things were experimental, then the straight techno of timbre

but most of all, i think they were punk.

whats that you say vurt? are you mad?
well, listen to let us play!
f**king awesome record! but damn does it make some heavy points

dark water · Post by **dark water** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:13 pm

Yep I agree with your madness Vurt

I saw Coldcut live at least once when they ripped it up with political messages, sampling and big beats at some festival around 2005 which I now forget the name of...

Mind you, then again maybe Coldcut's contemporaries the KLF could also be classed as punks?
Not least with their piss-taking Manual, £1 million money-burning and dead sheep at after-party protests...

leeleema · Post by **leeleema** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:19 pm

Norman Cook certainly rinsed big beat and fair play to him. Interesting that he's been no where near producing music for many years, essentially since ITB production took over. I read an interview where he was still very happy with his Akai samplers when lots of people were switching to stuff like Ableton. He's nearly 60 now I think.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:20 pm

yeah id give the klf the same label. although not as blatantly political, they definitely did the diy and not giving a f**k, which is pretty punk

Spring Goose · Post by **Spring Goose** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:21 pm

Eat Sleep Rave Repeat

leeleema · Post by **leeleema** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:24 pm

Liam Howlett on the other hand went downhill immediately after the MFTJG IMHO. I've never met anyone who shares this opinion though and so many people love the Fat of the Land. Those first two albums are absolute crackers though. I listened to the Prodigy Experience last week and it has dated really well. Maybe some big beat/ post rave Prodigy (but pre Fat of the Land Prodigy) combo is in order

Which genre should I produce ?