Should I play 12TET adaptation of the target microtonal scale?
Or should I play minor or major scale? If so which one?
Melodyne - Converting 12TET Melody Into A Microtonal Melody
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- KVRist
- 72 posts since 23 Feb, 2013
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- KVRian
- 709 posts since 7 May, 2002 from Phoenix, Arizona, USA
Technically you can play anything, but I'd play whatever is closest to the target scale. What is the target?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 72 posts since 23 Feb, 2013
Target is Ushaq Maqam Scale.
When you adapt this scale to 12TET It is actually Phrygian scale.
So should I play Phrygian then?
When you adapt this scale to 12TET It is actually Phrygian scale.
So should I play Phrygian then?
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
well, on that scale, on D the in the actual is, what, 30 or so cents flatter sharper than w. D Phrygian... not the only difference but the more noticeable.
I've done quasi-pseudo kinda sorta arabic-sounding things with pretty much a diatonic mode like that (albeit with more to it than that by design), but the question 'should I' is not up to anyone else, it's aesthetic/subjective
I've done quasi-pseudo kinda sorta arabic-sounding things with pretty much a diatonic mode like that (albeit with more to it than that by design), but the question 'should I' is not up to anyone else, it's aesthetic/subjective
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- KVRian
- 709 posts since 7 May, 2002 from Phoenix, Arizona, USA
yes, phrygian would generally be a good choice. I suppose you're playing an equal tempered fretted or other fixed pitch instrument? If you're using a vsti, then you probably know there are various choices of vsti that will load microtonal scales. I play middle eastern music, so perhaps I can clarify a little bit for you.
If you want to hear more examples of the "Ushaq maqam", search these:
Ussak (Turkish Makam)
Bayati (Arabic Maqam)
Shur (Persian Dastgah)
These all use the same notes for their primary form (but they can change notes, and even scales, as the makam progresses. The first change often being to raise the flat 6th to become "partially" flat while doing an ascending phrase). But, the 2nd note of the scale, which is somewhere between the minor and major 2nd (if in D, that would be somewhere between Eb and E), the tuning placement will be different between the 3 general styles above. Melodic movement and stylistic treatment will also be different of course, the most different being the Persian Shur.
Searching that particular spelling of "Ushaq Maqam" gave an uncommon result. To write maqam with a "q" denotes the Arabic spelling/style, but the word "Ushaq" is most common in Turkish music in which it is spelled Ussak (the two s will have a tail on them actually, which makes an sh sound). Therefor the google search gave a relatively uncommon Arabic maqam called Ushaq Masri. I assume you actually intend to play the notes of the most common form, and so the 3 names I gave above are that.
If you want to hear more examples of the "Ushaq maqam", search these:
Ussak (Turkish Makam)
Bayati (Arabic Maqam)
Shur (Persian Dastgah)
These all use the same notes for their primary form (but they can change notes, and even scales, as the makam progresses. The first change often being to raise the flat 6th to become "partially" flat while doing an ascending phrase). But, the 2nd note of the scale, which is somewhere between the minor and major 2nd (if in D, that would be somewhere between Eb and E), the tuning placement will be different between the 3 general styles above. Melodic movement and stylistic treatment will also be different of course, the most different being the Persian Shur.
Searching that particular spelling of "Ushaq Maqam" gave an uncommon result. To write maqam with a "q" denotes the Arabic spelling/style, but the word "Ushaq" is most common in Turkish music in which it is spelled Ussak (the two s will have a tail on them actually, which makes an sh sound). Therefor the google search gave a relatively uncommon Arabic maqam called Ushaq Masri. I assume you actually intend to play the notes of the most common form, and so the 3 names I gave above are that.