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I just downloaded Riffer demo, but unfortunately it has many limitations to better test it. But it seem to be a very interesting and creative helper. BTW, Playbeat is impressive!
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if you're ever looking for a few more Phrasebox presets, this guy made some:

https://youtu.be/JI8Ab1sTlQo

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psynical wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:31 am if you're ever looking for a few more Phrasebox presets, this guy made some:

https://youtu.be/JI8Ab1sTlQo
Yes, great pack of presets. I contacted him right after watching the video, a nice guy who is doing very well on the field. That collection is a must for Phrasebox! :clap: :clap:
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So might I enquire of you learned gentlefolk, is there a good option for creating evolving semi-random self-generating MIDI patterns ?

I'm a guitar/song/voice type of bloke, innit, blood ? But I'd quite like to play along to some self-generating MIDI stuff ...but I don't know nothing about it, do I guv ?

I did buy Reaktor cheap a while back and it lies there like a big scary techno monster.

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hotmitts wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:02 am So might I enquire of you learned gentlefolk, is there a good option for creating evolving semi-random self-generating MIDI patterns ?

I'm a guitar/song/voice type of bloke, innit, blood ? But I'd quite like to play along to some self-generating MIDI stuff ...but I don't know nothing about it, do I guv ?

I did buy Reaktor cheap a while back and it lies there like a big scary techno monster.
notwithstanding the negative comments above I find Riffer excellent for this sort of thing. You can program in a pattern and have it change as often as you want. You can set some beats to never change and the others to change. You can set the scale and the key as well. But there are plenty of programs that will do the sort of thing you mention, just you will have to find one that gels with your way of working

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fairlyclose wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:41 am
notwithstanding the negative comments above I find Riffer excellent for this sort of thing. You can program in a pattern and have it change as often as you want. You can set some beats to never change and the others to change. You can set the scale and the key as well. But there are plenty of programs that will do the sort of thing you mention, just you will have to find one that gels with your way of working
Thanks Fairlyclose, I'll look into it more

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fairlyclose wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:41 am
hotmitts wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:02 am So might I enquire of you learned gentlefolk, is there a good option for creating evolving semi-random self-generating MIDI patterns ?

I'm a guitar/song/voice type of bloke, innit, blood ? But I'd quite like to play along to some self-generating MIDI stuff ...but I don't know nothing about it, do I guv ?

I did buy Reaktor cheap a while back and it lies there like a big scary techno monster.
notwithstanding the negative comments above I find Riffer excellent for this sort of thing. You can program in a pattern and have it change as often as you want. You can set some beats to never change and the others to change. You can set the scale and the key as well. But there are plenty of programs that will do the sort of thing you mention, just you will have to find one that gels with your way of working
I think the thing that might be missing from Riffer is the evolving bit. You can do random and semi-random patterns with Riffer by clicking the die, but once clicked, the pattern is fixed until you click it again.

Since you have Reaktor, you could check out NOD-E or Fugue.

Edit:
Just realized that Riffer has that infinity button that can change the pattern automatically on each play through. Kind of cool.

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courtjestr wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:27 pm

Since you have Reaktor, you could check out NOD-E or Fugue.

Edit:
Just realized that Riffer has that infinity button that can change the pattern automatically on each play through. Kind of cool.
Thanks I'll check them out - free too !

I was looking at this too, although it's no longer free
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I'm sure there will be a lot of Black Friday sales popping up, but felt it worth mentioning a couple products that have received positive attention on this thread. Plugin Boutique has Harvest for $19 and Venomode Phrasebox for $29, PLUS you get a choice of one of four free products with each purchase, so make separate purchases to get more freebies. I believe the freebies run through Nov 30- not sure about the MIDI tools' price cuts.
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and a reminder that VCV Rack is an incredible playground for having fun with midi and creating generative sequences.

https://youtu.be/MSscijDAdug

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Reason Rack Players sale:
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/deal ... =price_asc
I believe it ends on 11-30-20
Hmmm! What to get?

I have Reason Lite.
Should I still get the Reason Intro?
I will primarily use it for the midi Players.
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Kalamata Kid wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:59 pm Reason Rack Players sale:
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/deal ... =price_asc
I believe it ends on 11-30-20
Hmmm! What to get?
I’m intrigued by the Enlightenspeed Melodic Inverter, going to demo it later

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^^^
Interesting.
Glad you mentioned it.
Please give us a review even a very brief one if you have the time.

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Kalamata Kid wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:07 pm ^^^
Interesting.
Glad you mentioned it.
Please give us a review even a very brief one if you have the time.
My music theory knowledge doesn't extend to how to build inversions, maybe someone on here can help? I thought it should only include the notes you input, but arranged in a different order on the keyboard, but I had some (mainly) C major scale chords input and it converted as below with different Global Algorithm preset values:-

from

C / Em / C / Am / Bm / F / G / F

to
[MEL INVERT]
Cmaj9 / Em7 / C(no 5) / C6 add(m2) / Bm / F / G / F add(m3)
[RANDOM]
Cmaj9 / G6 / C(no 5) / A add(m3) / Bm / F / G / F add(m3)
[EVOLVER]
C / C7 add(7) / Cm add(b5) / A (no 5th) / Fdim7(b9) / F / G / F

Have no idea if that's right or not, but it was good enough to use as an arp over a pad from the original chords after I added a Scales and Keys to divert it all into C major again.
There does appear to be some randomisation the way it converted the same chords input into different chords output.

Will play around with it a bit more over the weekend to see if it's worth picking up.

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IIRC, it is definitely not creating inversions of the original chord, but rather applying certain "transformations" to the individual notes - for example, mirroring the notes around a scale (e.g., if the original note is 5 steps above the tonic, the transformed note may be 5 steps below the tonic). As a result, you could very well end up with output that is outside your original key unless you do apply a constraint after the output such as you did.

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