The next Live update?

[liquidsound]

Most people don't even scratch the surface with it

This!
After so many years I still amazed on how deep Ableton can go and with M4L it's just bottomless.

The beauty of it is that you can "get by" just with the "surface scratches" and then complain or ditch it for a greener grass.
Why not, it's their business, but I'm reaping great results in my music production and still learning.

[m43lstr0m]

Does Ableton do Black Friday discounts? I may finally want to upgrade from Standard to Suite so I can get Max for Live.

[liquidsound]

Does Ableton do Black Friday discounts? I may finally want to upgrade from Standard to Suite so I can get Max for Live.

I think I have seen it before but honestly I'm not 100% positive.

[Reefius]

the fewer DAWs and plugins I have access to, the better

You know you could simply uninstall everything you don't need

[antic604]

You know you could simply uninstall everything you don't need

That wouldn't work for me.

For example yesterday, 1st thing I'd do after work would be to instal S1 and Reason back again, to see what's in 5.1 update and how the new BeatMap maps sound like respectivaly...

[SLiC]

One thing is for sure, since 10.1 was realised over a year and a half ago there has been almost nothing new and since then there have been massive updates top Logic, S1 (5 and now 5.1 ) Bitwig (3.1, 3.2 and now 3.3 a massive amount of new stuff) etc.

I cant believe Ableton haven't been working on something substantial over the last couple of years, lets hope it is coming soon (and I hope it is not PUSH related!)

[antic604]

I cant believe Ableton haven't been working on something substantial over the last couple of years, lets hope it is coming soon...

Obviously. It's standalone Push3 + new Live that's both more streamlined for hardware operation and touch screens (Push3, iPad + touch ARM Macs), and more powerful

[SLiC]

I cant believe Ableton haven't been working on something substantial over the last couple of years, lets hope it is coming soon...

Obviously. It's standalone Push3 + new Live that's both more streamlined for hardware operation and touch screens (Push3, iPad + touch ARM Macs), and more powerful

I hope you are wrong! Akai Force pretty much already does that for people (and you can get one for £780) for people who want stand alone Live workflow. Personally I am more than happy with my AKAI MPC Live II (which has a bonus Live control mode over Wi-Fi!)

Its interesting thought however that Live may not add very expanded and extensive DAW features that can not be accessed easily with a PUSH (which I agree is focus) and may concentrate on hardware integration and streamlined workflow...it isn't just a question for example of saying 'how do we add comping', its how can we add comping that is controllable from a PUSH...

[antic604]

I hope you are wrong! Akai Force pretty much already does that for people (and you can get one for £780) for people who want stand alone Live workflow. Personally I am more than happy with my AKAI MPC Live II (which has a bonus Live control mode over Wi-Fi!)

MPCs existing haven't stopped NI or Roland from releasing their own groove-boxes, so the market is there. And ALL THREE suffer greatly from the fact, that once you're done composing on hardware, using their software on a computer to finish stuff off is a horrific experience. Push3 + Live wouldn't have that problem, so that's the advantage and reasoning for standalone Push3 that I see.

[.jon]

I don't really have any wishes for next Ableton. It's fine for me as it is

For me as well, and it's been like this for the user base for years and years. Turns out you don't constantly need new features if you use a DAW for its intended purpose- making music.

New features are important for DAW enthusiasts. Their hobby is to compare software and try a feature once or twice, but as soon as the novelty of that WOW GAME CHANGER feature wears off, they man their computer keyboards and start spamming forums with their incessant demands for new features to keep them entertained again.

These are the people with more DAW licences than others have synths, because their focus is the software, not what you do with it. It's no surprise many of these types a drawn to software like Reaper and Bitwig, which are basically tinkering playgrounds for adults in a loosely music-related context. Both have also successfully monetized the update fetish, but Reaper is executing it in a very economic way by just introducing random new features without testing them in any way, while breaking two old ones so they can release a new version that fixes those bugs and breaks 4 other features.

A fully functional, stable piece of software is the ultimate terror to these people. It sits on their computer screen, calm and confident, every pixel reflecting the fear of the user- "it's not about this or that feature, it's about me"

[antic604]

I don't really have any wishes for next Ableton. It's fine for me as it is

For me as well, and it's been like this for the user base for years and years. Turns out you don't constantly need new features if you use a DAW for its intended purpose- making music.

New features are important for DAW enthusiasts. Their hobby is to compare software and try a feature once or twice, but as soon as the novelty of that WOW GAME CHANGER feature wears off, they man their computer keyboards and start spamming forums with their incessant demands for new features to keep them entertained again.

These are the people with more DAW licences than others have synths, because their focus is the software, not what you do with it. It's no surprise many of these types a drawn to software like Reaper and Bitwig, which are basically tinkering playgrounds for adults in a loosely music-related context. Both have also successfully monetized the update fetish, but Reaper is executing it in a very economic way by just introducing random new features without testing them in any way, while breaking two old ones so they can release a new version that fixes those bugs and breaks 4 other features.

A fully functional, stable piece of software is the ultimate terror to these people. It sits on their computer screen, calm and confident, every pixel reflecting the fear of the user- "it's not about this or that feature, it's about me"

Do I sense a whiff of superiority on your part?

But yes, you're right and I see nothing wrong with being that type of person. Otherwise you need to extend that analogy to people collecting cars (and not driving them), sport fans (that don't do any sport), music lovers (who don't compose music themselves), book readers (who don't write) and so on...

[tooneba]

One thing is for sure, since 10.1 was realised over a year and a half ago there has been almost nothing new and since then there have been massive updates top Logic, S1 (5 and now 5.1 ) Bitwig (3.1, 3.2 and now 3.3 a massive amount of new stuff) etc.

I cant believe Ableton haven't been working on something substantial over the last couple of years, lets hope it is coming soon (and I hope it is not PUSH related!)

Don't worry! They will announce with update for ARM support and visual lag fix for Macbook Pro (with discrete GPU). Huge huge surprise!

[antic604]

Don't worry! They will announce with update for ARM support and visual lag fix for Macbook Pro (with discrete GPU). Huge huge surprise!

Don't forget new emoticons!


But more seriously, their efforts to be able to use signs & symbols other than regular Latin alphabet in the GUI may soon pay off, as they're opening up for a HUGE market:

Ableton Live 10 to release an update that includes a simplified Chinese language option

[PieBerger]

I don't really have any wishes for next Ableton. It's fine for me as it is

For me as well, and it's been like this for the user base for years and years. Turns out you don't constantly need new features if you use a DAW for its intended purpose- making music.

New features are important for DAW enthusiasts. Their hobby is to compare software and try a feature once or twice, but as soon as the novelty of that WOW GAME CHANGER feature wears off, they man their computer keyboards and start spamming forums with their incessant demands for new features to keep them entertained again.

These are the people with more DAW licences than others have synths, because their focus is the software, not what you do with it. It's no surprise many of these types a drawn to software like Reaper and Bitwig, which are basically tinkering playgrounds for adults in a loosely music-related context. Both have also successfully monetized the update fetish, but Reaper is executing it in a very economic way by just introducing random new features without testing them in any way, while breaking two old ones so they can release a new version that fixes those bugs and breaks 4 other features.

A fully functional, stable piece of software is the ultimate terror to these people. It sits on their computer screen, calm and confident, every pixel reflecting the fear of the user- "it's not about this or that feature, it's about me"

I'm not going to stop using Live to make music with because it's missing features that I want. I want to keep using it and enjoy using it more with improvements. I don't want features just because, I want them because they will be useful to me. I'd like bounce in place because I resample a lot (in session view, while I'm getting my ideas together) and at the moment I have to do it in realtime, which is functional but tedious. I would like to be able to consolidate clips in session view, because dragging clips to arrange to consolidate and then drag back to session is functional but tedious. I would like to be able to add plugins to multiple selected tracks because although adding them one by one works, it's tedious. I would like to be able to fade multiple clips at once on the same track because cutting up and rearranging audio is a core part of my workflow and although fading each one manually is functional it's tedious. You get the idea by now, lots of things in Live work but are tedious and get in the way of getting stuff done quickly, which is a pain for people like me who have limited time to write music around full time work and other life commitments. I don't want shiny features for the sake of it, I want QoL improvements with tangible benefits, to help me realise my goals more quickly.

I really really hope these kinds of improvements will take priority and we don't just get another synth that no one asked for, not that Wavetable isn't a nice synth but it's just the kind of unnecessary shiny toy that feeds the upgrade fetish, rather than giving users much needed and requested enhancements to the DAW.

[SLiC]

I hope you are wrong! Akai Force pretty much already does that for people (and you can get one for £780) for people who want stand alone Live workflow. Personally I am more than happy with my AKAI MPC Live II (which has a bonus Live control mode over Wi-Fi!)

MPCs existing haven't stopped NI or Roland from releasing their own groove-boxes, so the market is there. And ALL THREE suffer greatly from the fact, that once you're done composing on hardware, using their software on a computer to finish stuff off is a horrific experience. Push3 + Live wouldn't have that problem, so that's the advantage and reasoning for standalone Push3 that I see.

MPC X and MPC Live have Ableton Live Set Export functionality, so you can move projects from the MPC to Ableton Live and continue working....There is also Live Link and Live Remote...they work hand in hand! If PUSH 3 can do 6 hours on a battery and has a decent built in speaker I will give it a look, otherwise I cant see much point in not sitting in front of a nice 40 inch monitor for the sake of 1 USB lead!

The MPC Platform has been adding new features at a phenomenal rate, rather like the software side, Ableton has all of this to catch up. The wireless Live control is now a superb bonus!