Physical modeling is dead! Google tone transfer is here ...

[Wes Kilbride]

I'm missing something here. Why make one thing sound like something else? Why not just use that something else? Let a violin be a violin, a piano be a piano.

If you want to combine these things, there's layering.
To merge them, there are plenty of morphing plug-ins.

[vurt]

I'm missing something here. Why make one thing sound like something else? Why not just use that something else? Let a violin be a violin, a piano be a piano.

If you want to combine these things, there's layering.
To merge them, there are plenty of morphing plug-ins.

i suppose the ultimste and quite distant in the future goal, would be, you whistle or hum a melody, transfer your whistle fo another instrument playing tbat phrase.

at the minute, as a slow process, it could be udeful for some fsu samples, making the ordinary, less so.

im guessing though it will be similar to the visual one they did, where everything seemed to have dogs eyes, and suddenly everyone was doing pictures fit for lovecraft.
perhaps fun, but far too obvious to be more than a gimmick
maybe not, computers are getting better, so machine learning will too. maybe not while were alive, but one day a computer may even write and record a piece no one can recognise as a computers works. maybe...

[Wes Kilbride]

I'm missing something here. Why make one thing sound like something else? Why not just use that something else? Let a violin be a violin, a piano be a piano.

If you want to combine these things, there's layering.
To merge them, there are plenty of morphing plug-ins.

i suppose the ultimste and quite distant in the future goal, would be, you whistle or hum a melody, transfer your whistle fo another instrument playing tbat phrase.

at the minute, as a slow process, it could be udeful for some fsu samples, making the ordinary, less so.

im guessing though it will be similar to the visual one they did, where everything seemed to have dogs eyes, and suddenly everyone was doing pictures fit for lovecraft.
perhaps fun, but far too obvious to be more than a gimmick
maybe not, computers are getting better, so machine learning will too. maybe not while were alive, but one day a computer may even write and record a piece no one can recognise as a computers works. maybe...

Well, OK. I can see wanting to make a whistling tune sound like something else. Seems like Ableton Live tries to do something like that by turning audio into midi files. And once something's a midi file, I suppose you can attach any sound to it. And I've seen that software that tries to sing typed lyrics. Sort of. But why not just use a crude midi keyboard, then, and slap on your happy sound? I don't want to dodge the future of computer music, but like you I'm wary of gimmicks.

[perpetual3]

The difference is that the DDSP / tone match has DSP elements like oscillators, filters, delays, reverbs. And these have there own parameters. So, the tone match system is like you having hundreds of arms, with hundreds of hands, and hundreds of fingers and adjusting all the parameters of the DSP elements.

[deastman]

Well, OK. I can see wanting to make a whistling tune sound like something else. Seems like Ableton Live tries to do something like that by turning audio into midi files. And once something's a midi file, I suppose you can attach any sound to it. And I've seen that software that tries to sing typed lyrics. Sort of. But why not just use a crude midi keyboard, then, and slap on your happy sound? I don't want to dodge the future of computer music, but like you I'm wary of gimmicks.

MIDI files with sample playback are rarely very convincing on their own without extensive controller modulation. That’s why MPE controllers are so interesting. But the goal of something like this research is to allow someone who doesn’t play any instrument to simply hum, sing, whistle, and create realistic instrumental performances. Likewise, if you are proficient on one instrument, you can use this to create realistic sounds of other instruments without dedicating decades of practice to those instruments. Maybe I want some violin or oboe in my song, but I only play guitar. This is really no difference than what people have been doing for ages, trying to create the most realistic string sections and piano patches for their MIDI keyboards. Beyond this, what is wrong with doing basic research, even if there isn’t an immediately obvious practical application?

[courtjestr]

Well, OK. I can see wanting to make a whistling tune sound like something else. Seems like Ableton Live tries to do something like that by turning audio into midi files. And once something's a midi file, I suppose you can attach any sound to it. And I've seen that software that tries to sing typed lyrics. Sort of. But why not just use a crude midi keyboard, then, and slap on your happy sound? I don't want to dodge the future of computer music, but like you I'm wary of gimmicks.

I know a lot of people who would like to make bagpipes, or banjos sound like something else. Personally, I like bagpipes and banjos. Even in the same song...

[highkoo]

Practical applications are a waste of this technology but luckily Google is probably smart enough to use them to pay for the weird stuff.

[psynical]

I'm missing something here. Why make one thing sound like something else? Why not just use that something else? Let a violin be a violin, a piano be a piano.

If you want to combine these things, there's layering.
To merge them, there are plenty of morphing plug-ins.

Holy shit, are you serious? Why invent a synthesizer? Why would we want an electronic instrument that just tries to reproduce an analog one?
You people are mind-blowingly unimaginative and boring. Does nothing inspire you?

[melomood]

Can it go halfway and 'vocode' it like a violin is saying words?

[Wes Kilbride]

The difference is that the DDSP / tone match has DSP elements like oscillators, filters, delays, reverbs. And these have there own parameters. So, the tone match system is like you having hundreds of arms, with hundreds of hands, and hundreds of fingers and adjusting all the parameters of the DSP elements.

Interesting image. Gives me a kind of Hindu nightmare with all those arms, etc. I haven't looked into this particular technology you're discussing, but I've been around a lot of academic people over the years marveling at how to transform a saxophone sound gradually into an onrushing train, and other things like that using complex algorithms. What's the point? What's the feeling? What are you trying to compose? Why should anybody want to listen to it? These are the questions I keep coming back to. If all you want to do is create intriguing new sounds, well, OK. But trying to turn a guitar into a piano loses me.

[Wes Kilbride]

I'm missing something here. Why make one thing sound like something else? Why not just use that something else? Let a violin be a violin, a piano be a piano.

If you want to combine these things, there's layering.
To merge them, there are plenty of morphing plug-ins.

Holy shit, are you serious? Why invent a synthesizer? Why would we want an electronic instrument that just tries to reproduce an analog one?
You people are mind-blowingly unimaginative and boring. Does nothing inspire you?

Yeah, I'm serious. Playing with electricity to make sounds has been around for a long time, and I've often heard extremes that sound either silly or creepy but without the complex something that a mature instrument can evoke in the hands of a good performer and composer. I personally like electronic music that evokes a strong sense of feeling about being alive now. I don't see it as just endless technical games with ever-more-complex toys. I don't like presentations that are just academically "interesting".

[highkoo]

I mean, ffs, this is tech that literally creates sounds never heard before. Impossible sounds.
Sound designer shit.
What are you doing in this thread?
Can you imagine that someone might very well be able to use sound sources like this to create some music that you can appreciate..?

[Wes Kilbride]

Well, OK. I can see wanting to make a whistling tune sound like something else. Seems like Ableton Live tries to do something like that by turning audio into midi files. And once something's a midi file, I suppose you can attach any sound to it. And I've seen that software that tries to sing typed lyrics. Sort of. But why not just use a crude midi keyboard, then, and slap on your happy sound? I don't want to dodge the future of computer music, but like you I'm wary of gimmicks.

MIDI files with sample playback are rarely very convincing on their own without extensive controller modulation. That’s why MPE controllers are so interesting. But the goal of something like this research is to allow someone who doesn’t play any instrument to simply hum, sing, whistle, and create realistic instrumental performances. Likewise, if you are proficient on one instrument, you can use this to create realistic sounds of other instruments without dedicating decades of practice to those instruments. Maybe I want some violin or oboe in my song, but I only play guitar. This is really no difference than what people have been doing for ages, trying to create the most realistic string sections and piano patches for their MIDI keyboards. Beyond this, what is wrong with doing basic research, even if there isn’t an immediately obvious practical application?

I agree there's nothing wrong with doing basic research and seeing where it goes, musically. Maybe some of it will be great in the hands of a capable artist. But I want to vomit when I see more and more musical technology geared to constructing rather than composing music for lazy dopes who don't want to learn how to play an instrument, write a tune, understand some basics of harmony and music composition. It's like everyone walking around with smartphones taking pictures and videos and thinking they've achieved great art automatically without trying hard, without really learning about the art of photography or videography. I too take advantage of sounds I can't play on guitar; but I don't pretend a guitar and a piano are essentially the same thing, just by modulating a bunch of parameters. It's an insult to both mature instruments.

[psynical]

wow.

> It's not art unless i say it is!

go back to your academics and please stay there.

[highkoo]

Literally does not understand the technology wtfsoever, but it makes him vomit.