Why you left REAPER?

[Trancit]

Routing audio from a VSTi track is super easy in Studio One.

Yep, I just loaded Studio One and it took me a minute to route a VST to audio without resorting to a manual.

All DAWs should be that simple.

Routing audio from a VSTi track is super easy in Studio One.

Yeah, I think you are right, its a matter of right clicking in the track somewhere isn't it ?

And where is that so much more difficult to drag and drop the "Routing" button from one track to another???

It works a bit different... yes... but for a good reason... show me in Studio One i.e. how you route the midi from one track to multiple others... and at the very end it´s similar idiot proof like any other method and it´s a matter of seconds for beginners to google this and find helpful explanations...

Not wanting to learn something new or calling something complicated are different topics...

I am with you all that many features of Reaper are a bit nerdy and that Reaper is mostly dead ugly but please stay fair... no need to drag every little aspect of Reaper in mire...

I am not a Reaper fan by any means but this prog is still undisputed king of performance, feature richness and flexibility... so something they must have done right...

[dellboy]

And where is that so much more difficult to drag and drop the "Routing" button from one track to another???

It works a bit different... yes... but for a good reason... show me in Studio One i.e. how you route the midi from one track to multiple others... and at the very end it´s similar idiot proof like any other method and it´s a matter of seconds for beginners to google this and find helpful explanations...

Not wanting to learn something new or calling something complicated are different topics...

I am with you all that many features of Reaper are a bit nerdy and that Reaper is mostly dead ugly but please stay fair... no need to drag every little aspect of Reaper in mire...

I am not a Reaper fan by any means but this prog is still undisputed king of performance, feature richness and flexibility... so something they must have done right...

For me ------ "king of performance, feature richness and flexibility" ------ are not of great interest.

Simplicity of use - intuitive without needing to google - and made for musicians and not nerds - would be my type of DAW.

I will download the Reaper demo and see if I can get "VST to audio" to work without resorting to the help or googling.

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[dellboy]

And where is that so much more difficult to drag and drop the "Routing" button from one track to another???

Ok, I downloaded Reaper for the Mac and faffed around looking for "routing", only it wasn't there. Eventually I found a "routing" option in the menu that had to be enabled, great.

Enabled it and two icons appeared on each track and I tried dragging one on to the other, which created a dialogue box.

Tried pressing various buttons, but nope, nothing.

Found a wiring tool that looked cool and tried dragging wires all over the place - nada.

Gave up with the Mac and tried the same on my Windows machine and gave up after 10 minutes.

Conclusion: It might work on some machines but not on mine.

I could join the Reaper forum or google or read manuals I suppose and eventually get it going, but life's too short.

[Trancit]

And where is that so much more difficult to drag and drop the "Routing" button from one track to another???

Ok, I downloaded Reaper for the Mac and faffed around looking for "routing", only it wasn't there. Eventually I found a "routing" option in the menu that had to be enabled, great.

You are kidding me, aren´t you????

Routing.jpg

But let me correct this... if you are not able to detect that "Route" belongs to the topic "Routing" and the tooltip doesn´t say anything neither to you then Reaper is definetely not your cup of tea...

But I wonder how you found the FX button to be able to load a plugin...

[neverbeeninariot]

And where is that so much more difficult to drag and drop the "Routing" button from one track to another???

Ok, I downloaded Reaper for the Mac and faffed around looking for "routing", only it wasn't there. Eventually I found a "routing" option in the menu that had to be enabled, great.

You are kidding me, aren´t you????

Routing.jpg

But let me correct this... if you are not able to detect that "Route" belongs to the topic "Routing" and the tooltip doesn´t say anything neither to you then Reaper is definetely not your cup of tea...

But I wonder how you found the FX button to be able to load a plugin...

The Route button is not visible in the TCP when using the default 6 skin out of the box, although it is shown in the mixer (and the mixer is visible by default....). Route becomes visible in the TCP when the mixer is hidden, or after tweaking the v6 Theme Adjuster script (or switching to the v5 skin). This is crazy default behaviour, IMO.

[Trancit]

The Route button is not visible in the TCP when using the default 6 skin out of the box, although it is shown in the mixer (and the mixer is visible by default....).

Ok, is it really such a problem to grab the button from the mixer if it is visible by default???

Sorry, I cannot get how this should be such a big deal...

Since I know software, one had to have at least a little bit of a clue how is working what and these comments about how hard it is to route a track to another in Reaper are ridiculous... no matter if the button is visible on the track or on the mixer...

[neverbeeninariot]

I'm not disagreeing, Trancit - it is piss easy IMO
I can understand why it's a bit of a learning curve for new users, but getting the basics up and running is not hard.

Incidentally - Why I left Reaper. I didn't, I love it. Any time I use another DAW I miss some functionality (routing matrix, region rendering and the render queue, non-interruptible audio engine [Cubase, really, after all this time....], freely routable MIDI with multiple sources/destinations [*cough Studio 1], multiple midiFX in same FX chain [*cough Studio 1 again], tool-less operation on items, scripting API, etc...).

Yeah, it is not pretty to look at in places (most of the dialogs), but that's really a secondary (even tertiary) consideration here, and although I use a custom-mod of a custom theme, that's only skin deep, if you'll pardon the pun, the functionality matters more...

[dellboy]

The Route button is not visible in the TCP when using the default 6 skin out of the box, although it is shown in the mixer (and the mixer is visible by default....).

Ok, is it really such a problem to grab the button from the mixer if it is visible by default???

Sorry, I cannot get how this should be such a big deal...

Since I know software, one had to have at least a little bit of a clue how is working what and these comments about how hard it is to route a track to another in Reaper are ridiculous... no matter if the button is visible on the track or on the mixer...

The routing button is NOT visible in a new Reaper install - try it.

And dragging the routing button from a VST enabled track to an audio enabled track routing button on MY machine does not work. The VST does not output audio onto the audio track on MY machine.

It works on MY machine with Cubase - Logic - EnergyXT - Studio One - Waveform but all I get is a dialogue box in Reaper that does not connect anything.

Why it works on other peoples machine and not mine is up for debate.

Rather than being rude about my knowledge and ability perhaps you could suggest something constructive.

[neverbeeninariot]

The Route button is not visible in the TCP when using the default 6 skin out of the box, although it is shown in the mixer (and the mixer is visible by default....).

Ok, is it really such a problem to grab the button from the mixer if it is visible by default???

Sorry, I cannot get how this should be such a big deal...

Since I know software, one had to have at least a little bit of a clue how is working what and these comments about how hard it is to route a track to another in Reaper are ridiculous... no matter if the button is visible on the track or on the mixer...

The routing button is NOT visible in a new Reaper install - try it.

As I said, it is in the mixer...

And dragging the routing button from a VST enabled track to an audio enabled track routing button on MY machine does not work. The VST does not output audio onto the audio track on MY machine.

The popup is normal, it's just confirmation that the routing happened, with an option to route either audio or midi (it does both by default).

This is how it should work (default installation, no options changed)



I take it that this is not what happens for you?

I can't think why it would be different for your machine, but it's possible.

[neverbeeninariot]

These are the default send settings, btw.



Might be worth checking.

[dellboy]

As I said, it is in the mixer...

Ok, I tried the same thing in the mixer this time and I get a twin red stereo graph for the VST and twin green for the audio which is good and was not working before.

If I now record arm the audio and press record the twin bars disappear and a wave is not recorded.

[neverbeeninariot]

Ok, I tried the same thing in the mixer this time and I get a twin red stereo graph for the VST and twin green for the audio which is good and was not working before.

If I now record arm the audio and press record the twin bars disappear and a wave is not recorded.

The track you are trying to record to is looking for input from your soundcard. You want to record audio from a send, and to do that you need to change a track setting (because signal flow....).

On the mixer channel, you can either:
1. Click the small dropdown box that says "In" and select "Record output" and select the format you want (mono, stereo, latency (un)compensated, whatever - just pick Stereo for now)
2. Right-click the record button, and select the same option as 1. (1. has the cleaner menu)

And this is why people give up on Reaper; too many options, and I get it - but when you really need to record that multi-channel uncompensated output, then it's probably the only DAW that can do that All that power and flexibility leads to complexity, and a learning curve...

Edit: And no, before you ask, I've never recorded multi-channel latency uncompensated audio via a send before (never say never...), but mono, stereo, and especially MIDI, sure.

[dellboy]

The track you are trying to record to is looking for input from your soundcard. You want to record audio from a send, and to do that you need to change a track setting (because signal flow....).

On the mixer channel, you can either:
1. Click the small dropdown box that says "In" and select "Record output" and select the format you want (mono, stereo, latency (un)compensated, whatever - just pick Stereo for now)
2. Right-click the record button, and select the same option as 1. (1. has the cleaner menu)

And this is why people give up on Reaper; too many options, and I get it - but when you really need to record that multi-channel uncompensated output, then it's probably the only DAW that can do that All that power and flexibility leads to complexity, and a learning curve...

Edit: And no, before you ask, I've never recorded multi-channel latency uncompensated audio via a send before (never say never...), but mono, stereo, and especially MIDI, sure.

Ok, thanks, its recording now.

Now I have the problem of un - routing that track ?

Ahh! found it by dragging the route button back the other way.

[neverbeeninariot]

Now I have the problem of un - routing that track ?

Ahh! found it by dragging the route button back the other way.

Nope, you just created another send from the 2nd track back to the 1st. Reaper just automatically bypassed the routing to prevent feedback.

Click any one of the Route buttons, you see sends on the left, receives on the right. Click the Delete button to remove them.

Top left of that Route dialog is also the check box for Master/Parent send. If you route audio to a buss, you probably want to uncheck that box or you'll hear the audio in both the sending and receiving track at the same time.