Why did you leave Studio One?

[AnX]

for the record, I have five different hammers for different purposes, there is no one size fits all.

do you have a toffee hammer?

[fairlyclose]

I'm not like that at all. New things inspire me, especially new instruments. I definitely get bored using the same instrument for a long period of time. I got a bit of a kick from the move to Cubase but Studio One has really got me fired up - I've not felt this motivated in many, many years.

agree on the software side - hardware doesn't get me excited much at all - a new guitar seems pointless unless it is radically different from the ones I already have (87 G&L Skyhawk, Jackson Dinky with the sustainer pickup, classical I modified to be fretless), a new car is just not worth the money to me for the pleasure I will get (unless I get say a Tesla) . But software instruments can be very different to what I have eg I got crusher-X this year and that will keep me going for a while.

[lfm]

I got a bit of a kick from the move to Cubase but Studio One has really got me fired up - I've not felt this motivated in many, many years.

That's nice of course, not that I understand it though.

To me a daw is just a holder of clips I record, invoke some automation and load some 3rd party plugins - and done pretty much.

Workflow makes a bit of difference as recording though, how are takes handled. StudioOne was really a nightmare in this regard.
both
- how takes were named
- principle that you swap the take lane for current on track does not work well for me. The arrow button on a take lane, don't use it.
- but eventually found how to just copy current take to track and it worked better. In this way all take lanes stay the same while doing this not creating a mess of it all. I think it was just double click instead, but see to that current clip in track had a copy in take lanes first.
- tried to get access to scripting in StudioOne but that was not revealed to userbase at all what you could and not do. Thought I could fix naming from a template like in Reaper or something, but no.

I soon find myself in a mess which order of takes as you tried some out.
- no timestamps or anything
- naming convention is completely off to me

But all daws so far fail in handling midi clips the same way as audio clips. You have no history or cache or timestamps or a pool of midi clips. That is where I feel lost as doing midi.

Once you deleted a midi clips, it's gone. Nowhere to be found.

Why does daws not have a project pool for midi clips, with timestamp and all as for audio clips?

[antic604]

Workflow makes a bit of difference as recording though, how are takes handled. StudioOne was really a nightmare in this regard.

It sounds like you're doing it all wrong:

Once you deleted a midi clips, it's gone. Nowhere to be found. Why does daws not have a project pool for midi clips, with timestamp and all as for audio clips?

How about you use Scratch Pad(s) for this?

[vurt]

for the record, I have five different hammers for different purposes, there is no one size fits all.

do you have a toffee hammer?

i bought a new war hammer at the beginning of the new apocalypse, looking forward to finally getting to use it

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[AnX]

I actually counted my hammers today, I have 11 (6 diff sorts, so some are just diff sizes)

[vurt]

not much work today then?

[BONES]

do you have a toffee hammer?

How else would you crack into a Creme Brulee?

a new car is just not worth the money to me for the pleasure I will get (unless I get say a Tesla).

That's crazy talk, on two fronts. First of all, I definitely get bored with a car after two or three years although, again, my current one is three years old now and I still love it to bits. Unless next year's replacement model is a big step up, I can see myself driving this one for many years. Secondly, I can't think of anything more mundane and boring than an electric car, particularly a Tesla. They are just "blech".

But software instruments can be very different to what I have eg I got crusher-X this year and that will keep me going for a while.

A new guitar may not do it for you but a new hardware synth is just like a new software one.

But all daws so far fail in handling midi clips the same way as audio clips. You have no history or cache or timestamps or a pool of midi clips. That is where I feel lost as doing midi. Once you deleted a midi clips, it's gone. Nowhere to be found.

It's the same as if you delete a paragraph of text from a Word document, it's gone forever. I think you need to take the time to understand how things work, rather than expect everything to bow to your desires.

Why does daws not have a project pool for midi clips, with timestamp and all as for audio clips?

They do. Just export the clip to a MIDI file and you can access it from the browser. But of course you have to tell it what to keep, otherwise it would just fill up with junk. I don't like the idea of any application filling my drives up with junk, even audio takes. I'd much prefer it remained in RAM, or in a temporary cache, until I decided it was worth saving. e.g. It annoys the hell out of me when I go to sing and cough instead, or I get distracted and miss my cue, but that take gets saved anyway, so I have to go into the folder it was saved into and delete it manually.

[andypryce]

Once you deleted a midi clips, it's gone. Nowhere to be found.

Why does daws not have a project pool for midi clips, with timestamp and all as for audio clips?

Strangely Protools which is probably the least favorite for midi have pool for midi events just like audio.
Are there any other DAWs with midi playlist feature?

[lfm]

But all daws so far fail in handling midi clips the same way as audio clips. You have no history or cache or timestamps or a pool of midi clips. That is where I feel lost as doing midi. Once you deleted a midi clips, it's gone. Nowhere to be found.

It's the same as if you delete a paragraph of text from a Word document, it's gone forever. I think you need to take the time to understand how things work, rather than expect everything to bow to your desires.

So you did not read the comparison about audio clips, so you miss the point.
I ask for nothing else but the same handling for midi clips.
Midi is neglected in this regard, I think.

The pool of audio clips remain in project even if deleting from track.
And you have time stamps for it as well.

Most daws have non-destructive midi editing as well, so what is on track is not the core of what is originally on disk. But daws seems to store midi clips within project file unless you tell it to, for every clip.

But no overview of all midi that is there - I miss that.

The general idea among daw makers seem to be that unless stored separately on disk, like recorded audio clips, you don't want a pool having recorded midi clips conveniently kept for various use.

I just miss the same treatment of midi as for audio.

[lfm]

Once you deleted a midi clips, it's gone. Nowhere to be found.

Why does daws not have a project pool for midi clips, with timestamp and all as for audio clips?

Strangely Protools which is probably the least favorite for midi have pool for midi events just like audio.
Are there any other DAWs with midi playlist feature?

Good info, thank you.
Very convenient to see what is there in the full project just as for audio clips.

[Trancit]

nevermind...

[BONES]

So you did not read the comparison about audio clips, so you miss the point...
I ask for nothing else but the same handling for midi clips. Midi is neglected in this regard, I think.

EDIT: OK, I had a long-winded response in here earlier (unusual for me, I know) but I've condensed it down into something I think you should be able to understand - audio exists as separate files from the get-go and is not saved with the project, only links to it are. OTOH, MIDI isn't used in the same way and it isn't really standalone stuff, like audio. i.e. If I load an audio file into anything that can read it, I will hear the same thing. That's not true of MIDI, it requires context and is therefore saved with the project, in that proper context.

To put it another way - audio is data, MIDI is metadata and so they are handled differently, each in a way that makes the most sense for that thing.

[lfm]

To put it another way - audio is data, MIDI is metadata and so they are handled differently, each in a way that makes the most sense for that thing.

For me midi is the larger part of any project I have - when talking clips in the project. Synths, organs, drums orchestral and whatnot.

Recorded as audio is just electrical and acoustic guitars, bass and vocals.

So why not give us the same overview and treatment for midi is what I am asking myself?

I think main reason for difference for midi now is
- as you mention storing as separate files for audio
- developers don't make enough music to understand the needs

As I see it they can store midi in project as they do now but
- give us a pool and overview of midi clips as well
- give us timestamps for each clip as well
- and naming conventions templates for clips like in Reaper would be nice

For StudioOne I did all manual renaming of every take, and put timestamp in name as well. Very cumbersome just to feel organized and I can come back weeks, months and even years later as my projects proceed really slow. I don't settle for anything less than professional - and no mix is settled yet for me. Too much to learn still.

Midi file format is rather cumbersome handling back and forth - so proprietary format and store internally as always - no problem. Just miss the same overview as for audio clips.

[antic604]

For StudioOne I did all manual renaming of every take, and put timestamp in name as well. Very cumbersome just to feel organized and I can come back weeks, months and even years later as my projects proceed really slow. I don't settle for anything less than professional - and no mix is settled yet for me.

The question is - why you need your clips to have time stamp or be named in some sort of convention. When you come back to a project 3 months later, do you choose which clip to use based on its name or time it was created? I'm not sure I get it.

Also, you've not replied to my suggestion.