Cubase 11 - hearsay, gossip or fact?

[Obsolete462444]

I think some people want Cubase to be another DAW.
Are their room for improvements? Of course. But what I personally love about Cubase is workflow, which is great for how I work but may not be for others.
I have tried Reaper, hated it.
Fruity Loops. Hate it.
Live.. Really hated it.
...

Sure, if the Cubase "way of doing things" is what you are used to, than essentially every DAW that deviates from that workflow, will feel unpleasant at first. And since Ableton is based on a very different paradigm, you dislike it even more. I can absolutely understand that as a longtime Cubase user, though I grown to like Ableton Live, once I really took time and accepted the different approach. I still hate FL Studio though and find Reaper horribly un-intuitive, despite it's CPU efficiency. Reaper is just too reliant on user customization / scripts and frankly speaking does not function out of the box! But that's another story. Of course it also depends quite heavily on what you are using your DAW for, since Reaper seems to be strong in mixing and flexible routing, but rather weak for MIDI based composition / sequencing.

And personally I hope Cubase always maintains its workflow like... Cubase..... Cubase 10 broke quite a few of my workflow and I didn't like it

May I ask what changed in terms of workflow since version 10 for you? I jumped straight from version 6.5 to 10.5 and even though there were quite a few changes, I feel like the workflow is generally still the same as a few years ago. In fact, it doesn't feel much different from the Cubase SX days to me, unfortunately and the additional features such as the Sampler Track or the Chord Pads are quite badly designed compared to third party solutions.

[zvenx]

I used a lot of right clicking over events and 90% of that functionality was removed in Cubase 10, granted some were out of place for the type of events you were right clicking over. I still miss those.
They also moved the order of the tools in the tool bar so by muscular memory I knew where to go for the eraser or glue etc at the top, they changed that order.... I have now more or less gotten accustomed to the new order but when I started with Cubase 10 months before most, it drove me crazy.

They were a few other workflow changes in C10 but those are the ones I remember off the top of my head.
rsp

[Passing Bye]

As a longterm Cubase user I get jealous of Logic users from time to time, since overall Logic underwent a more fruitful development path in the last decade.

Maybe it's the grass is greener thing, but development isn't any better than Cubase, actually they are so similar in that regard, nothing changed much last 10 years, it's building upon legacy and changing skins, development is so slow, maybe biggest update is 10.5 since Logic 8, everything in between was blah considering how much time it took them.

[pixel85]

Ok after I saw C11 beta manual I can say that for the first time I don't see a point in updating. The new export features are not worth €80 not to mention basic new dynamic EQ that I think anyone has covered at this point (often way beyond what this DEQ can do).

Time to look at S1 I suppose because midi in Live is for Beatport Psytrance Top100 makers

[ozinga]

As a longterm Cubase user I get jealous of Logic users from time to time, since overall Logic underwent a more fruitful development path in the last decade.

Maybe it's the grass is greener thing, but development isn't any better than Cubase, actually they are so similar in that regard, nothing changed much last 10 years, it's building upon legacy and changing skins, development is so slow, maybe biggest update is 10.5 since Logic 8, everything in between was blah considering how much time it took them.

Logic very much feels like patched hundred times. More than Cubase actually.I hope in the mean time Logic team was working for a brand new Logic Pro 11 with fresh code and got rid of all the legacy stuff and quirks. It might be up with the ARM Macs but then again they would not spend the Live Loops and Pattern Editor features with 10.5 We'll see...

[Psuper]

Looking forward to 11, I'm on 10. Cubase kicks ass man... plus knowing Infected Mushroom use it as their primary DAW makes me proud and I mainly just listen to EDM not produce it.

[Passing Bye]

As a longterm Cubase user I get jealous of Logic users from time to time, since overall Logic underwent a more fruitful development path in the last decade.

Maybe it's the grass is greener thing, but development isn't any better than Cubase, actually they are so similar in that regard, nothing changed much last 10 years, it's building upon legacy and changing skins, development is so slow, maybe biggest update is 10.5 since Logic 8, everything in between was blah considering how much time it took them.

Logic very much feels like patched hundred times. More than Cubase actually.I hope in the mean time Logic team was working for a brand new Logic Pro 11 with fresh code and got rid of all the legacy stuff and quirks. It might be up with the ARM Macs but then again they would not spend the Live Loops and Pattern Editor features with 10.5 We'll see...

Dunno, they both are showing their age and both undergone some cosmetic changes, but beneath they are pretty much same old thing, they didn't improve that much last 10 years, seriously doubt that they will code either from ground up again, there's plenty of good features, but there's plenty of half baked ones too, so they will probably just patch until they can get away with it, what we will see in next years is DAW that look like those older celebrities with tons of plastic surgeries that try to look young, but just look messed up.

[tooneba]

DAW that look like those older celebrities with tons of plastic surgeries that try to look young, but just look messed up.

I thought this sentence was describing Ableton More lines, more ugly colors and more small texts on MS Excel.

[xbitz]

IMO bit BWS has the state-of-the-art/vanguard look at this moment

check it on full screen ... if you like the colorful neon lights in the dark (I like )

[tooneba]

Look like this

[xbitz]

but dunno the prev 3.2 versions were too depressive ones now it's the opposite but works for me (at least don't have to think on track colors anymore) so not complaining ... back to Cubase (gui has a dedicated topic anyway, the winner is BWS second is AL viewtopic.php?f=7&t=544889 )

[v1o]

Agreed!

Or they design an entirely new DAW from the ground up, which doesn't have any of those legacy related inconsistencies to begin with. Ooops, that's what Studio One attempts to do (quite successfully so).

As a longterm Cubase user I get jealous of Logic users from time to time, since overall Logic underwent a more fruitful development path in the last decade. Consistently Logic had an advantage regarding UI, UX, bundled sample content and instruments as well as the DSP quality of the bundled effects.

Steinberg already rewrote and redesigned Cubase again from scratch starting with Cubase SX. There's no legacy code in there. AFAIK Logic Pro has never had a complete rewrite only incremental updates. You only need to look at the Logic environment which probably dates back to Classic Mac OS.

[Daimonicon]

I think some people want Cubase to be another DAW.
Are their room for improvements? Of course. But what I personally love about Cubase is workflow, which is great for how I work but may not be for others.
I have tried Reaper, hated it.
Fruity Loops. Hate it.
Live.. Really hated it.

If I had to switch it would be to Studio One, because I can use it without reading the manual, in a lot of ways, unsurprisingly giving its history, it is a lot like Cubase.

And personally I hope Cubase always maintains its workflow like... Cubase..... Cubase 10 broke quite a few of my workflow and I didn't like it.

If indeed there is a Cubase 11, it adds to my workflow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steinberg_Cubase

rsp

I agree with you 100%

[chk071]

I think some people want Cubase to be another DAW.

It's always the same, for any DAW. Some people here want Studio One to be like Bitwig too. Or like Ableton. Or...

[thebutler]

Is there a Loopmash 3 somewhere..?

Too soon.?

Aw, c'mon.! someone had to say it...





(btw - loopmash 2 is better than you think - you guys don't know what's good for you; like brussels sprouts...)