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xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:38 pm

btw. worth to check the Black Friday All Plugins Edition deal if somebody has the Signature bundle without any additional plugins https://support.image-line.com/jshop/sh ... 1602163751 it's almost a joke (especially for the All Plugins Edition owners

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antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:58 pm

xbitz wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:38 pm btw. worth to the Black Friday All Plugins Edition deal if somebody has the Signature bundle without any additional plugins https://support.image-line.com/jshop/sh ... 1602163751 it's almost a joke (especially for the All Plugins Edition owners )

Impressive! Does it come with VST versions of the plugins where applicable?

Reefius · Post by **Reefius** » Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:17 pm

antic604 wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:58 pm
xbitz wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:38 pm btw. worth to the Black Friday All Plugins Edition deal if somebody has the Signature bundle without any additional plugins https://support.image-line.com/jshop/sh ... 1602163751 it's almost a joke (especially for the All Plugins Edition owners )
Impressive! Does it come with VST versions of the plugins where applicable?

Nope

FL Studio All Plugins Edition includes all FL Studio native format Image Line plugins offered for sale at the date of your purchase. This does not necessarily include plugins we release in future. When we release new plugins that are not included in your bundle, you will be able to purchase them (normally at a significant discount). This product does not include VST or AU formats of the plugins listed in the edition.

clipnotic · Post by **clipnotic** » Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:45 pm

best DAW ever, I use FL Studio / Fruity Loops since really many years and I'm producing many electronic genres and also Pop stuff. It has a very fast workflow, I can produce tracks in a few hours and so on ... and the best is, you'll get lifetime free updates!

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:05 pm

I wouldn't say best (objectively https://www.admiralbumblebee.com/DAW-Chart.html) but has a special atmosphere which can push you forward constantly((keep you in the flow) so can be very productive with it, hard to explain have to try it, it's especially true if you can't play on any instrument just on the mouse (no offense)

starflakeprj · Post by **starflakeprj** » Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:40 pm

According to that site Studio One has a "true" workflow value of 59, while Reaper has 71. I would say, myself, nothing beats the workflow that Studio One has, and Reaper has among the worst (together with FL Studio). So even though he has spend over 500 hours per DAW (which I doubt though), he fails creating something usable for people to help them choosing the right DAW for them.

Everyone is different, so don't trust anyone but yourself, demo the DAWs you find interesting, and check YouTube for tutorials on that type of music you would like to compose.

I own a couple of DAW's, as you can see below (+ Maschine from NI, Waveform from Tracktion and Cakewalk by BandLab). My top list would be:

1. Studio One (workflow, ease of use)
2. Reason (inspiring, one of a kind)
3. Bitwig (straight forward, fun)

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:10 pm

1. Atm I wouldn´t buy FL Studio if you are on mac...
2. The performance on PC is quite good but depending what you do worse than the competitors...

But at the very end this doesn´t matter... it´s a bit like Ableton/Bitwig against Reaper...
What counts is not the number of plugins you can run without rendering to audio... what counts (or at least should could) is where you are the most creative in...

Regarding creativity for those who grab the workflow of FL Studio there is nearly nothing better...
The way it is created makes it really really easy to come up with cool stuff in no time...

Next: FL Studio has a fantastic feature set for a little price and lifetime free upgrades:
- With the actual offer you get the full bundle at a sensational price... but even afterwards it´s still very competitive price wise...
- the absolutely best and fastest Midi editor...
- the absolutely best and deepest integrated Audio editor (Edison)
- the absolutely best loop slicer (Slicex)
- the absolutely best Vocoder plugin (Vocodex)
- one of the most flexible and powerful MB Dynamic plugin on the market (Maximus)
- one of the best if not the best Convolution Reverbs on the market (Convolver)
- Sytrus is a synth beast which is apart from i.e. Logic second to none for an included synth
- Patcher is so powerful...
... the list can be continued endlessly...

Everything FL Studio offers is very very efficient and well RAM optimized...
A blank instance of FL Studio takes about 100MB RAM and starts within a blink of an eye (same for all of their plugins...) I hate nothing more than waiting till a DAW finally starts...or a plugin decides finally to show it´s GUI...
After inserting 100 EQ´s and 100 Compressors the RAM usage is about 125MB RAM...
Do the same in i.e. Ableton...

FL Studio is very very actively developed and many decisions are made how the user base votes...
The dev´s are perhaps the most communicatives of all DAW developers and try to help wherever they can...

But the biggest part for me is: it´s simply fun... working with FL Studio makes me smile everyday!!

Yes, it has it´s shortcomings... but a) which DAW is perfect (answer is none) and b) there are very rarely real showstoppers... somehow you get it always work...

Test it... and perhaps love it...

clipnotic · Post by **clipnotic** » Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:21 pm

FL Studio also has a very good compatibility. I'm using almost every known "big" VST ...

Passing Bye · Post by **Passing Bye** » Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:32 pm

Think David from Guda Audio told me, if plugin works properly in FL, it works everywhere, it seems like FL is most demanding host as far as VST plugin goes, same goes for Logic, if AU works with Logic properly, it will work in any other host without problems, so I guess as far as compatibility goes, both FL and Logic are worst offenders and probably ones that will break mostly and most easily.

clipnotic · Post by **clipnotic** » Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:53 pm

well, FL Studio and Logic are prefering really good quality instead of crap!

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:56 pm

I think the plugin story is mostly related to plugin developers not coding their stuff properly...

The VST specification includes variable buffer sizes which some plugins (Synthmaster and Synthmaster One i.e. are famous ones) do not respect... therefore IL had to implement a wonky workaround to make these kinds of plugins working properly...

But this is the fault of the plugin developers who did not respect the VST specifications and not IL´s...

Apart from this I have absolutely no problems with any plugins I ever tried in FLS... for me it doesn´t seem that demanding...
In general FL Studio runs extremely stable for me... there is perhaps sometimes a hiccup in a beta but the official releases never have crashed for me at all!!

clipnotic · Post by **clipnotic** » Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:08 pm

As I started with Fruity Loops (old name of early FL Studio versions), some VST developers of miserable programmed VSTs told me, that I should use Cubase, if I want to work "really professional". Meanwhile I work professional with FL Studio. And the really good plugins are working fantastic. At the moment I'm working on a track which uses instances of Sylenth, Rapid, Omnisphere, Nexus, Dune3, Fabfilter Pro L-2, Gullfoss, Intensity and DAW included plugins. And everything works perfect

Passing Bye · Post by **Passing Bye** » Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:19 pm

Trancit wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:56 pm Apart from this I have absolutely no problems with any plugins I ever tried in FLS... for me it doesn´t seem that demanding...

For developers is another story, I know also that developer that code Spire have most problems with FL too, dunno, if you knew that Auratone's or NS10's will expose your mixes problem, you will ensure it's working good on them first, instead of last, so yeah...

clipnotic · Post by **clipnotic** » Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:21 pm

Passing Bye wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:19 pm
For developers is another story, I know also that developer that code Spire have most problems with FL too, most of the fixes is because someone found something not working properly on FL, dunno, if you knew that Auratone's or NS10's will expose your mixes problem, you will ensure it's workings good on them first, instead of last, so yeah...

well, Omnisphere for example works since release in FL Studio, also Sylenth and Dune. So it seems, that their developers did something better!

And meanwhile Spire is an overall "good working" synth, but it took a long time ...

Passing Bye · Post by **Passing Bye** » Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:27 pm

clipnotic wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:21 pm
Passing Bye wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:19 pm
For developers is another story, I know also that developer that code Spire have most problems with FL too, most of the fixes is because someone found something not working properly on FL, dunno, if you knew that Auratone's or NS10's will expose your mixes problem, you will ensure it's workings good on them first, instead of last, so yeah...
well, Omnisphere for example works since release in FL Studio, also Sylenth and Dune. So it seems, that their developers did something better!

Same as mixing, some mixers try to really nail their mix to translate everywhere, some don't care that much.

How's FL Studio 20?