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sabiwa · Post by **sabiwa** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:09 am

I'm making a move from Ableton and would like to try Logic or go back to Cubase which I used back in the nineties. I love to work with Mac and don't have any reason to change OS...but the upcoming changes in Apple's technology makes now everything a bit more complicated. I do my work with 2015 MacBook Pro and have no reason to upgrade anything.
Is this the point where the development of Cubase on mac starts to lag behind Windows or do you think Steinberg will try to keep up with the technology? It would make sense to choose Logic but I'm not so sure about its future either. Any thoughts?

leeleema · Post by **leeleema** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:25 am

So why are you moving from Ableton?

sabiwa · Post by **sabiwa** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:31 am

Nothing wrong with Ableton. I just need more traditional daw with good audio and midi editing capabilities.

SparkySpark · Post by **SparkySpark** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:11 am

sabiwa wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:09 am It would make sense to choose Logic but I'm not so sure about its future either. Any thoughts?

Well, Logic is the traditional DAW of choice for Mac users, isn't it? So I can't see why Logic - of all DAWs - should disappear from Macs.

BTW, what are the upcoming changes to Macs? I recall the move to MacOSX, with completely new audio routines (called Core audio if memory serves me right). It was a pain to recode software for the Apple platform for our audio code developer. Our software was developed on Macs, so it was indeed a tough blow for us, and several companies abandoned the Apple platform (probably the major music platform in the year 2000) due to this. At the same time, we were porting the software to Windows, which proved to be an insane undertaking, because the bugs of our already bug-ridden application multiplied dramatically. With the IT crash as the icing on the cake, we soon went out of business.

The Windows port, BTW: I had met with the VP of Apple at the time, and they were interested in bundling our software with all Macs sold, and possibly buying our company, as long as we didn't port our software to Windows. Well, the owner of our company liked to "think different", and went ahead with the Windows port anyway. Hope he had some regrets after he lost his money.

docbot · Post by **docbot** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:19 am

I'd go with Logic for now, considering the new Mac Chips

sabiwa · Post by **sabiwa** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:46 am

Yes, Logic would be a logic choice but frankly I have no idea which direction Apple is taking it. Hopefully not Ableton's direction as there are still improvements left on audio and midi editing department.

audiouser720 · Post by **audiouser720** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:30 pm

Never worry about something that has not happened yet. Use whatever is good for you as of today. Whatever direction Apple is taking all the major DAWs will adapt to it anyway (on some point). In my experience both Cubase and Logic run smooth on a Mac at the moment. It is all down to personal preference. Choose the one that is more fun to use (for you)!

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:32 pm

No point in speculating. I would wait and see how things will move on.

risome · Post by **risome** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:59 pm

I use Ableton and Logic on my Mac Pro 2019 Tower both are great, why restrict yourself to just one DAW

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:32 am

sabiwa wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:09 amIt would make sense to choose Logic but I'm not so sure about its future either. Any thoughts?

Logic development has been really impressive... there is no need to be concerned about its future

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:14 am

SparkySpark wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:11 amWell, Logic is the traditional DAW of choice for Mac users, isn't it? So I can't see why Logic - of all DAWs - should disappear from Macs.

That's wishful thinking, not logical thinking (pun intended). Just look at what Apple did to Final Cut Pro, an application that they created from the ground up to lure professional users. They threw their pro customers under a bus in the pursuit of more app sales. It wouldn't surprise me at all if, one day, they ditched Logic to concentrate on Garage Band.

BTW, what are the upcoming changes to Macs?

Are you serious? They just launched their new ARM-based Macbook Air, with promises of Macbook Pros going the same way later in the year. i.e. They just turned Mac laptops into oversized iPads with no touchscreen.

risome wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:59 pmI use Ableton and Logic on my Mac Pro 2019 Tower both are great, why restrict yourself to just one DAW

Because I have work to finish and I don't have time to be moving projects between competing products with almost zero cross-compatibility. When I move a project from Cubase to Studio One, for example, I throw out countless hours of time spent getting the mix right and have to pretty much start again from scratch. That's not something I'd do unless I really, really had to.

enroe · Post by **enroe** » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:38 am

sabiwa wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:09 am Is this the point where the development of Cubase on mac starts to lag behind Windows or do you think Steinberg will try to keep up with the technology?

Well, in general, you have to do with two properties at the Mac level:

1. The hardware is - with the same performance - about
twice as expensive as Windows systems are.
2. The hardware or the OS is often completely changed,
and the entire software must then be ported.

But if you can come to terms with it and these 2 characteristics
don't bother you, then there is no reason not to rely on Logic or
Cubase. Logic and Cubase are among the best there is as a DAW.

Etienne1973 · Post by **Etienne1973** » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:22 am

enroe wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:38 am2. The hardware is often completely changed, and the entire software must then be ported.

14 years since the last time. Apple moved to Intel in 2006.

enroe · Post by **enroe** » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:35 am

Etienne1973 wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:22 am
enroe wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:38 am2. The hardware is often completely changed, and the entire software must then be ported.
14 years since the last time. Apple moved to Intel in 2006.

Yes exactly!

What I want to express with (2): Apple takes far less consideration of compatibility
with its programs. So the jump on Catalina is connected with great upheavals.
Windows is much more good-natured.

(But we also know: Apple has other advantages!)

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:08 pm

BONES wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:14 am Are you serious? They just launched their new ARM-based Macbook Air, with promises of Macbook Pros going the same way later in the year. i.e. They just turned Mac laptops into oversized iPads with no touchscreen.

You mean they just made their laptops faster, with significantly better battery life, they still run OSX but can also run iOS apps as well... Nice win for us Mac users... there are a number of iOS apps I look forward to using.

The New Apple Silicon Mac Mini is showing a 50% cpu improvement for single core in early tests... very impressive.

Future of Logic Pro and Cubase on Mac