Cubase 11 - hearsay, gossip or fact?

[zvenx]

I have a macbook pro with two usb ports.

With three four port unpowered hubs, two four port powered hubs

And it powers all of these fine.

[Freaqpeak]

So you bring your expensive DAW laptop, studio headphones, soundcard and all cables when you travel. But the tiny usb dongle is the problem? To me, it smells like BS to stop using Cubase. There are other reasons of course..

Well, the awful attitude of people like you was a big factor too. "It smells like BS". Am I in trouble mummy?

Sheer up mate! I'm sorry if my question hurt your feelings.

...but you could explain what the real problem is. I asked a question why you find the dongle a problem, but not the other hardware you have to bring when traveling. People not agreeing with you has an "awful attitude" in your world? You forgot to bring an important piece of hardware that you need to work and get paid. Who's fault is that really? You could be using a DAW or software that requires an Internet connection. Who would you blame when you can't activate the software because there's no working Internet connection at the gig? (this happens all the time, esp at festivals in the middle of nowhere).

Btw, your mother is on KVR? Try asking her via PM instead.

[Freaqpeak]

You people who say the dongle is no big deal are idiots. I have a Mac that has 2 usb ports. Two ports. I cant bus power more than 1 hard drive and I have AT LEAST TWO that I need for sample content when I do massive projects. Hubs wont work. They dont power the hard drives. If there were no dongle I could easily do this. As it is, I have to plug in 1 hard drive, write the parts, render to audio, unmount the drive, plug in the other drive, write more parts... If there are changes I have to do it all over again. It's a hassle for those of us who have other things going on and travel for gigs or business.

Also, I have at least 1 time out of 20 starting Cubase where it "Refuses" to see the dongle and I can't load Cubase. It's really annoying. I have purchased 2 extra dongles over the last 20 years to remedy a faulty one. that's an extra $60 my friends. NOT acceptable.

Stop complaining about things you know nothing about and go back to trolling.

Hmm.. There should be no problem having more than two USB connected devices at the same. Computer issue? Hubs will work for sure, if you get a high quality hub (also with optional external power supply if you have devices that requires more power). Some USB hard drives even has built-in hubs. If you use external hard drives, they can also be powered externally (just as many audio interfaces). Personally I would get a larger SSD disk for the computer. IMHO, having several external USB hard drives are more painful than having one small eLicenser dongle. I have a 2TB SSD in my computer so I can put everything I need on the same disk. External disk can be useful as backup.

I would get another computer that can handle more than two USB connected devices and that has at least a 2-4 TB of SSD disk (or just upgrade the one you have). That way you don't need external disks at all.

I have used Cubase since about '99. Latest dongle I got was with Cubase 5. I have NEVER had an hardware issue with the eLicenser. External hard drives though! Many of them has died a painful death during the years.. same with computers. For me, the dongle has survived several computers and hard drives. Of course, it's a matter of time...

[Etienne1973]

I have a Mac that has 2 usb ports. Two ports. I cant bus power more than 1 hard drive and I have AT LEAST TWO that I need for sample content when I do massive projects. Hubs wont work. They dont power the hard drives. If there were no dongle I could easily do this.

You could use your Mac's Thunderbolt port(s) for hard drive(s) ?

Edit: What Mac exactly do you have? MacBook Pro Intel with 2 USB-C/Thunderbolt Combo ports, right?

[chk071]

bring your expensive DAW laptop, studio headphones, soundcard and all cables when you travel. But the tiny usb dongle is the problem?

I can very well understand why someone wouldn't want to carry his dongle around. There may be hundreds of € worth of software on it, it's a small device which can be lost or stolen easily, AND, which would be more relevant for me, if it sticks out of your laptop, and you carry it around, or take it from the table to put it on your lap, or there are people around you, the dongle can easily break, or break the USB port, when you touch anything with it. I'd absolutely hate to have to carry around a dongle with me, when I'm "on the road". Actually, I read a lot that people hate to have to carry the dongle with them when they're on the move. So, no, it's not a weird problem.

Even read from a well known producer (can't remember the name now) that he started using Studio One because of that. I.e. he used Cubase at home, and Studio One when he was on the move.

That's what I'm saying. Dongles suck. Imagine there were more dongle protections, apart from the already present eLicenser, iLok and Codemeter. You'd have to have a dozen dongles for different companies. If that doesn't suck then I don't know what does. If anything, companies should use more online authorization, if they want a more secure system. Having to plug in a physical device for authorizing is... *insert random swear word here*.

Sorry, I'm usually not the kind of guy to make a product thread into a copy protection discussion. First and last interjection from me in that regard. It's just that I still own a USB eLicenser as well, and, it even affects me loading eLicenser protected plugins. Most of the time I just can't be arsed to plugin that dongle again (mostly only have my iLok dongle plugged in), and waste precious USB ports. I just don't understand how in 2020, there still can be such a copy protection. With almost the entire world being online most of the time, it's kind of ridiculous, because, there are other ways, if you don't want to rely on basic protection like a serial or a key file.

BTW, even though I claimed something different earlier, I'm pretty sure that Steinberg WILL change they CP scheme in the next couple of releases. And, I'm also 99% sure that they'll go for online authorization. They're probably already working on it for a while.

I'm one of those idiots who bought a USB hub just for iLok and eLicener, BTW... yes, I feel like quite an idiot for doing that.

[zvenx]

I would be shocked if SB changes from the dongle... but indeed they may go software e-licenser for more of their products including Cubendo, that is a possibility.
I have a special case for my dongles when I travel, and a lanyard that I keep them on when I use to do live stuff.
But indeed one can get nervous with having them on the road.

rsp

[VitaminD]

nm don't want to get involved with this.

[trtzbass]

So you bring your expensive DAW laptop, studio headphones, soundcard and all cables when you travel. But the tiny usb dongle is the problem? To me, it smells like BS to stop using Cubase. There are other reasons of course..

Well, the awful attitude of people like you was a big factor too. "It smells like BS". Am I in trouble mummy?

Sheer up mate! I'm sorry if my question hurt your feelings.

...but you could explain what the real problem is. I asked a question why you find the dongle a problem, but not the other hardware you have to bring when traveling. People not agreeing with you has an "awful attitude" in your world? You forgot to bring an important piece of hardware that you need to work and get paid. Who's fault is that really? You could be using a DAW or software that requires an Internet connection. Who would you blame when you can't activate the software because there's no working Internet connection at the gig? (this happens all the time, esp at festivals in the middle of nowhere).

Btw, your mother is on KVR? Try asking her via PM instead.

no feelings hurt, I'm just not a fan of being patronised by a stranger that in four sentences grossly assumes things about me, then proceeds to play out a heavily minimised fantasy and ends by implying that I talk BS, all the while using a condescending tone.
Talk to me sensibly and we can have a nice conversation.

[GNXT]

Cloud protection would be a good start i believe, i own an iMac and have a couple of USB hubs elicenser is doing it's job on the background. People are right to complain and others weird to defend (most of the time).

One of the main reasons i would like to see dongle go is for Cubase to become more popular hoping that will push them to better development and support and generally improving the Cubase experience and make me more comfortable thinking about the future of Steinberg.

The competition is getting harder Cubase is at the top as a product but not mentally in people minds.

So back to the 11 release, i would say it's a nice update, nothing huge, many small improvements and user requests fulfilled. I would expect a bit more as i'm not in need of new plug-ins if not the opposite, and especially a few sample packs (it would be a nice option to let you choose and pick what you want from their shop).

I hope soon they will try to address a few top requests like gapless audio, a bit easier to use inspector, plugin organising improvements (as sort by name on newly created libraries), quicker/better preset browsing and others.

p.s.
I recently see a lot of slow development in DAWs, developers are rushing new releases mostly in what looks a need for money like Studio One, Live and maybe a few others. A reason could be how powerful have DAWs become and the needs of users keep getting bigger and outdated pretty fast.