Album: Kadonneet Maat (atmospheric organic techno)

[justin3am]

I've really enjoyed what I've heard so far. Very nice balance between electronic and acoustic sounds. I'll listen to the rest tonight.

[Allomerus]

Great stuff. I am usually wary of people who drop whole albums here as they often just want you to listen to boost their listens. Good to see your informed and interesting discussion with Mark on your processes.
Love the mix of organic instruments and electronica. You have captured the drive of electronic music with a human feel. Quality music, well done!

[Taika-Kim]

DDSP is actually not physical modelling, but capturing the timbre of one sound and transferring it onto another sound with a machine learning neural network. I tried it on an Anne Briggs solo vocal, and it sounded fantastic both with the flute and violin model.

But I am also interested in physical modeling, there are some modal sounds of my own design (made with a bank of 18 parallel bandpass filters) on the album.

[ChameleonMusic]

DDSP is actually not physical modelling...

Yes, I understood, but I can see how my reply caused confusion!

but capturing the timbre of one sound and transferring it onto another sound with a machine learning neural network.

that took me back to my Uni days and composing pieces for live performance using such techniques as Klangfarbenmelodie. Like many others we then took it further and developed static pieces full of huge sustained micro tonal chords where the long notes slid effortlessly from violin to trumpet to clarinet to flute etc.

Also did an experiment with recognising instrument sounds a few years ago:

Played recordings of a selection of solo orchestral instruments to a group of experienced musicians and asked them to write down what instrument they were listening to each time.

Each instrument just played 3 reasonably sustained notes at 3 different pitches.

The fly in the ointment was - we had removed the transients from every note for every instrument...it was staggering how much confusion this caused!

[Frantz]

I'm on track two and this is amazing so far! I am bookmarking it for a full listen when I have more time. It manages to sidestep most electronic music cliches except sidechaining.

[Taika-Kim]

That's a good point about sidechaining, it is a kind of danger zone in my opinion too! It's just such an easy way to separate the kick and bass And besides that there's a vast amount of side chained fx where tracks modulate each other. During mastering I used it extensively, making different elements modulate parameters of things like gains of EQ bands and filter frequencies, and so on. It's so nice to set things like this up in Bitwig, because anything can modulate anything else.

[Allomerus]

Each instrument just played 3 reasonably sustained notes at 3 different pitches.

The fly in the ointment was - we had removed the transients from every note for every instrument...it was staggering how much confusion this caused!

This is funny but not expected. I studied Physics with a focus on acoustics and find this sort of this fascinating.

[ChameleonMusic]

Each instrument just played 3 reasonably sustained notes at 3 different pitches.

The fly in the ointment was - we had removed the transients from every note for every instrument...it was staggering how much confusion this caused!

This is funny but not expected. I studied Physics with a focus on acoustics and find this sort of this fascinating.

Trumpet, clarinet and violin mid to high range notes caused total chaos for some listeners!

It was also interesting how some were NOT phased by it at all!

[Allomerus]

Similar harmonic content once initiated! Depends I guess on which part of the note you are drawn to.

[ChameleonMusic]

Similar harmonic content once initiated! Depends I guess on which part of the note you are drawn to.

That could well be the crux of it...sadly we never got time or opportunity to follow it all up!

[Hez]

Congratulations on the release dude! All the work you put into building your own patches and instruments is very evident in how unique the result is - your music really doesn't sound like anyone else

Think Vetten is my favourite on this listen through, though I really dig the slight suomi-vibes on Kiteet as well

[ChameleonMusic]

Similar harmonic content once initiated! Depends I guess on which part of the note you are drawn to.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1po9S8j ... sp=sharing

Test setup by someone using high quality samples - note one is a waveform not an instrument as such!

[justin3am]

Still working my way through this. The sound design is terrific. So many moments where I thought, "oh, I wish this sound would do this..." and then that happened! Excellent composition and arrangement as well.

[Taika-Kim]

Each instrument just played 3 reasonably sustained notes at 3 different pitches.

The fly in the ointment was - we had removed the transients from every note for every instrument...it was staggering how much confusion this caused!

This is funny but not expected. I studied Physics with a focus on acoustics and find this sort of this fascinating.

Trumpet, clarinet and violin mid to high range notes caused total chaos for some listeners!

It was also interesting how some were NOT phased by it at all!

I think this was already studied in the 60s and 70s in some classic studies? How the removal of the transients greatly obscured the source of various instrument sounds.

I wrote a bit in this thread about the mixing process of the album:
viewtopic.php?f=259&t=555471&p=7941705#p7941705

I'm happy to hear the sound design presents the listener with pleasant surprises. I did put an incredible amount of time into building the details and did all kinds of interesting things like recording synths through physical objects with transducers, etc.