Apple announces new Mac Mini, Air + 13" MBP featuring their own M1 chip.

[Passing Bye]

We get it, people who want to get into Apple Silicon should avoid Tone2, don't worry, I know I will.

[zvenx]

I am typing to you on a mac as we speak.
I use cubase on mac and nuendo on pc. Audiothing who is a developer already showed your facts were incorrect.

Actually he rather presents his opinion than to prove Markus' points incorrect. And, I can well see where Markus is coming from. I take a brief look into coding sometimes (mostly web development), and, things are moving fast really. And, in this case, we're taking about a whole new architecture. Mac OS is just way more bleeding edge then Windows, and, I understand that this can be very frustrating for developers (and users).

Audiothing was much more diplomatic about it . I think we can agree that he had a different opinion on it?
Oh yes I understand the frustration.....My issue though is when you stating things as facts that are not....
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[Ploki]

For instance my macbook pro is a 2014 macbook pro and I am running mojave by choice, it reminds me daily that I can run Catalina... That mac is now six years old not three years old.

my gf has 2012 15" mbpro, still works like a charm - went through a lot.
Big Sur is a no-no, but will go Catalina soon and has enough juice for her projects for at least another two years - decade. that's crazy good

[zvenx]

We get it, people who want to get into Apple Silicon should avoid Tone2, don't worry, I know I will.

I don't think he is saying that. Matter of fact I think he said his new baby WILL be ARM/Apple Silicon Compatible..
He just finds it a pain in the ass (my words not his).
Markus is a good guy with lots of STRONG/passionate opinions
rsp

[Passing Bye]

We get it, people who want to get into Apple Silicon should avoid Tone2, don't worry, I know I will.

I don't think he is saying that. Matter of fact I think he said his new baby WILL be ARM/Apple Silicon Compatible..
He just finds it a pain in the ass (my words not his).
Markus is a good guy with lots of STRONG/passionate opinions
rsp

He's saying that, his whole involvement here is off putting, don't want to deal with passionate and opinionated developer who will probably do this thing whenever I would have any problems.

I will getting such a new Mac mini for development and testing. There are still many people using this platform.

But I will not recommend the ARM Mac to our customers. There will be trouble with various plugins and hosts. This is nearly inevitable.
I don't care if you buy such a machine or not. It's your money. But you can't say that you haven't been warned

[masterhiggins]

Those Geekbench scores are crazy good. They kick my mid-2015 Quad core 2.7 i7 MacBook pro’s ass. I’m definitely buying a new MacBook Pro.

[zvenx]

At the end of the day your call of course.

I will still support Tone2.
rsp

[david.beholder]

Backward compatibility, while can be seen as a strength, it's also a weakness for security and technology progress. Anyway, nobody is forcing you to update to Catalina or Big Sur (unlike the forced Windows 10 updates).

I might be wrong but older versions of macOS are not getting security updates anymore and it's unsafe to be connected to internet. For example last security update for Win 7 was on Jan 2020 i.e. 11 years after release.
Windows update service is configurable one can turn off updates in couple of clicks. VST2 is running exactly the same way as 20 years ago, so not sure about what security we're talking about?

And if you really really need that old 32bit DAW/plugin or software that has not been updated for 10 years, you can still keep an older machine running or run a VM.

Why limit people with such bad solutions like old computers or vms?
One can take modern hardware and os with last security upgrades almost any plugin and daw from last 15 years and just run it with no effort. It doesn't need any support because.

Moving to Silicon will, of course, force us to drop some older macOS versions (I still need to check how far we can go), but this also keeps us active in developing and maintaining our software. And this is a good thing for the business and the customers!

As well as moving to 64 bit only catalina forced to drop some older versions too, despite hardware support. This pattern on mac is super annoying.
Compare it to situation with windows where old versions are working exactly like they've been working decade ago without any support.


Also I'm waiting they might force macos to apple store only and then price would go up 30%.

[Etienne1973]

Also I'm waiting they might force macos to apple store only and then price would go up 30%.

What do you mean exactly?

[chk071]

He's saying that

No, he didn't. What he said is that people shouldn't expect everything to run on the new architecture.

On the other hand, I just read in the u-he forum that their transition is working out quite nicely, so, it might not be that problematic. Guess Apple has built in a lot of compatiblity layers. Happy that I don't have to mess with that nonetheless.

[david.beholder]

We just have to look back to the transition from 68000 to Intel for this. Most likely similar problems will arise again.

68000 to Intel? Aren't you missing some key steps?

On the other hand, I just read in the u-he forum that their transition is working out quite nicely, so, it might not be that problematic.

That's not what Urs said.

[david.beholder]

Also I'm waiting they might force macos to apple store only and then price would go up 30%.

What do you mean exactly?

Apple can easily force devs to sell plugins thru appstore on macos. Same exactly way it's happening on ios. In this case apple would get 30% of every sale.

[zvenx]

He's saying that

No, he didn't. What he said is that people shouldn't expect everything to run on the new architecture.

On the other hand, I just read in the u-he forum that their transition is working out quite nicely, so, it might not be that problematic. Guess Apple has built in a lot of compatiblity layers. Happy that I don't have to mess with that nonetheless.

u-he aren't the only ones..... Quite a few will surprisingly be ready when they need to be ready. I was actually surprised. Apple really did their homework on this imho.
rsp

[chk071]

On the other hand, I just read in the u-he forum that their transition is working out quite nicely, so, it might not be that problematic.

That's not what Urs said.

I must have misunderstood this then:

Little Update Oct 27th 2020: It's looking very good. Neither Rosetta complains about running our Intel Plug-Ins on Apple Silicon, nor do we experience issues with our natively compiled plug-ins - which, well, compile just fine (but are not yet integrated in our automated workflow). We'll post news as we go, e.g. once we have beta versions in a few weeks or so.

[zvenx]

Also I'm waiting they might force macos to apple store only and then price would go up 30%.

What do you mean exactly?

Apple can easily force devs to sell plugins thru appstore on macos. Same exactly way it's happening on ios. In this case apple would get 30% of every sale.

And Jesus can come tomorrow and kills us all...sigh.... likelihood of either happening?

But that is also Android's model.. (not sure what % Google takes but they do take some)

edit: google takes 30% too. https://support.google.com/googleplay/a ... 2622?hl=en

Nothing unique about apple with that.
rsp