Apple announces new Mac Mini, Air + 13" MBP featuring their own M1 chip.

[revvy]

To be fair, all the naysayers without the necessary qualifications are just as pathetic.

I agree here but I'm yet to see one in this thread unlike ARM fanboys.

You see 'ARM fanboys'? Goodness, hard to believe there is such a thing. Sharp eyesight you got there.

[Ploki]

Windows would stay as long as they want it. 32bit support doesn't cost anything for them right now.

Haven't seen any evidence of "twice as much" performance. I mean I like apple marketing buzz too but please get real.

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/3 ... acbook-pro

the early benchmarks show literally what apple claims - at least twice as much performance PER Watt.

And as it was said above it's far from real performance on real daws/plugins not ones where you neither know affiliation level between test maker and apple nor how much optimization was done for specific test.
Apple strategy usually is to avoiding direct competition/comparisons.

to be honest, i've used geekbench for ages.
It coincides pretty well with potential track count of machines.
i.e. my old MBP 2012 has around 3k multicore score, and gets ~38 tracks in the "new logic benchmark test" and Mac Mini has around 5,5k and gets ~80 tracks in the "new logic benchmark test"
So roughly twice as much, like score is roughly twice as much.

Workstation will be a little better because they generally can keep the figure so high longer, so comparing actively cooled workstations vs laptops is a bit trickier (mac mini is in between) but its still relevant data.

[Passing Bye]

For some choosing platform or even CPU is equal to choosing religion, they are all after money and I do business with ones that offer me the most, I have PC too, after few years it's worthless and can't be upgraded that much because Intel change sockets as socks, limit the RAM you can use with any of their CPU, give you slight increase every year on the spoon and every other vendor follows them, Microsoft on other hand sells you overpriced Windows and other software, would support your iron if it had OS, they don't care, than AMD rises from ashes and let you use their good value CPU's on older mobo's, but they are still hated, finally Apple goes against Intel and give people something worth their money, still hate, so it's not about money, it's about religion.

[Double Tap]

I have to use a Mac for work, my wife has a MacBook Air and those machines are a pain as far as I'm concerned - nothing is easy to find and any time something goes wrong, it feels like I can't fix it myself and we have to call tech support. And you get stuck in weird loops - like, we needed to upgrade her OS, but the back up wasn't working, but to back up we needed to upgrade the OS. Ffs. And the iCloud nonsense where if you delete a photo on the machine it deletes your backup too - what the hell is that about?

But if I can get the power of a i9 10900 in a machine that's two thirds of the price - and I'm still waiting to hear about the real world performance - I'll get over my dislike of the ridiculous one button mouse and the walled garden crap and get on with it.

Although now I remember the iCloud stuff I'm starting to have second thoughts.

[DJ Warmonger]

I have PC too, after few years it's worthless and can't be upgraded that much because Intel change sockets as socks, limit the RAM you can use with any of their CPU

Have you tried AMD?

than AMD rises from ashes and let you use their good value CPU's on older mobo's, but they are still hated

I think you need to catch up, it's late 2020 and AMD dominates on pro/desktop market

[revvy]

one button mouse

1984?

[Double Tap]

one button mouse

1984?

The ones in the office are white with a tiny tiny scroll button, and yes, no right clicking. I think they're probably 2010s. Can you right click now then?

[revvy]

one button mouse

1984?

The ones in the office are white with a tiny tiny scroll button, and yes, no right clicking. I think they're probably 2010s. Can you right click now then?

You could right click then too, I've always hated Apple mouse design so have always used Logi etc which of course have right click for Mac.

Apple mice when I bought my last 2 iMacs have been no-button, touch affairs, but with a clear left and right click/division.

[Double Tap]

one button mouse

1984?

The ones in the office are white with a tiny tiny scroll button, and yes, no right clicking. I think they're probably 2010s. Can you right click now then?

You could right click then too, I've always hated Apple mouse design so have always used Logi etc which of course have right click for Mac.

Apple mice when I bought my last 2 iMacs have been no-button, touch affairs, but with a clear left and right click/division.

Ok that's good to hear, thanks. I was half hoping someone would point out the misconceptions in that post. Is that the only one though?

[Ploki]

The ones in the office are white with a tiny tiny scroll button, and yes, no right clicking. I think they're probably 2010s. Can you right click now then?

2005
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Mighty_Mouse
they have right click, you just need to enable it.

Although now I remember the iCloud stuff I'm starting to have second thoughts.

i just use icloud as another cloud-drive service and for device-backups/mirrors.

[Ploki]

I have to use a Mac for work, my wife has a MacBook Air and those machines are a pain as far as I'm concerned - nothing is easy to find and any time something goes wrong, it feels like I can't fix it myself and we have to call tech support. And you get stuck in weird loops - like, we needed to upgrade her OS, but the back up wasn't working, but to back up we needed to upgrade the OS. Ffs. And the iCloud nonsense where if you delete a photo on the machine it deletes your backup too - what the hell is that about?

But if I can get the power of a i9 10900 in a machine that's two thirds of the price - and I'm still waiting to hear about the real world performance - I'll get over my dislike of the ridiculous one button mouse and the walled garden crap and get on with it.

Although now I remember the iCloud stuff I'm starting to have second thoughts.

okay this is actually genuine so i'll try to answer as concisely as possible.

- it's a different OS and workflow, you need to get used to it. I don't call tech support ever and fix stuff myself on macOS.
- i do backups with Carbon Copy Cloner - mirrors, weekly (actually i had a backup drive fail and didnt do it for over half a year now, which is making me anxious as i type this), so i don't deal with time-machine snapshots, nor do i care for snapshots since i do versioning manually when i want it. Matter of workflow
- upgrade loop is weird. Generally i'd backup / mirror the drive with disk utility and upgrade. I don't think Time Machine is a good backup option for professional use

[Double Tap]

2005
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Mighty_Mouse
they have right click, you just need to enable it.

Okay when I read that my brain exploded. "But there's no right button, how... " then: "Wait, so they just decided to hide it?" I'm almost excited about going back in.

- i do backups with Carbon Copy Cloner - mirrors, weekly (actually i had a backup drive fail and didnt do it for over half a year now, which is making me anxious as i type this), so i don't deal with time-machine snapshots, nor do i care for snapshots since i do versioning manually when i want it. Matter of workflow
- upgrade loop is weird. Generally i'd backup / mirror the drive with disk utility and upgrade. I don't think Time Machine is a good backup option for professional use

It's taken me about my entire life to get to a point where I feel that if something goes wrong I'm not exposed: NAS drive mirrors my PC, and files are in 1TB of OneDrive so that big things can get deleted locally and live in the OneDrive cloud, but they're still in File Explorer so if I need something I can just click on it - it's totally integrated into the workflow. I'm assuming I can't use OneDrive on a Mac, so I'd probably still have to use my PC for work but that Carbon Copy Cloner things looks good - I'll investigate that for my other half.

okay this is actually genuine so i'll try to answer as concisely as possible.

- it's a different OS and workflow, you need to get used to it. I don't call tech support ever and fix stuff myself on macOS.

No sure, I'm not saying it's impossible for a user to fix, just that I don't know how to fix things because it's not an OS I understand.

I set up my wife with a Time Machine because it just seemed like the obvious option but because I don't use it I don't really know how it works or even if it's working properly, so when things go wrong I don't really know what to do - the different OS is something I could learn, and writing this I'm starting to realise just how much my marriage is based on tech support so perhaps a Mac Mini might have some fringe benefits. Or maybe that's just how I sell it... "Darling, I need to spend this large amount of money on a new shiny thing because I love you and want to make you happy."

[UltraJv]

I have PC too, after few years it's worthless and can't be upgraded that much because Intel change sockets as socks, limit the RAM you can use with any of their CPU

Have you tried AMD?

than AMD rises from ashes and let you use their good value CPU's on older mobo's, but they are still hated

I think you need to catch up, it's late 2020 and AMD dominates on pro/desktop market

That's a gamers view. Intel have 80% of the market for business, AMD has 20%. Its taken AMD a long time to get into that market. ARM on desktop or laptop will take longer. I work in IT and it amuses me that people think ARM will suddenly take over. AMD has weird hardware and software compatibility problems that stop its widespread use. The same will be true of ARM on laptop and desktop.

[chk071]

IIRC, Macs had one button mice in the past. Might have been before the Mighty Mouse stuff, but, I've seen it.

See here, e.g.: http://hotcoding.crombz.com/2013/08/lau ... users.html

[revvy]

IIRC, Macs had one button mice in the past. Might have been before the Mighty Mouse stuff, but, I've seen it.

See here, e.g.: http://hotcoding.crombz.com/2013/08/lau ... users.html

That blog post should win the 'Vague Non-Referenced Blog Post of the Year 2013' award.

Great source!