Apple announces new Mac Mini, Air + 13" MBP featuring their own M1 chip.

[chk071]

Even from os9 on mac they responded to right click functionality. For whatever reason apple pushed cntrl +left click which does the same albeit not as elegant imho. And indeed kept making only left click in their mice. But i had a microsoft mouse with right click on my mac since the 90s.
Rsp

I actually know why they do all that. Because, when the users gets back to Windows, or any other OS (Linux is lterally the same as Windows in terms of mouse and keyboard operation, Chrome OS too), the users thinks "Crap! Why don't my keyboard shortcuts don't work the same way as on a Mac!". Not because it's better, but, because Apple made things different to hook the user to the way it works on a Mac. Actually, what it rather does is make me want to pull my hair out whenever I'm on a Mac, and I expect the same operation as on literally any other OS out there.

Fortunately, they couldn't quite keep it that way, so people at least have the right mouse button operation now, and the command key works like the control key (while having another control key on a Mac keyboard, which doesn't do what it does on Windows, but rather opens up a pointless context menu, haha...).

Anyway, enough ranted. I keep my negative energy for the next session on my mom 's Mac.

[Ploki]

An interesting link for the guys who disliked me, since I dared to predict possible technical problems with the new Macs:
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=555572

Looks like it did not take 3 months, but only one day to find out that things in the audio-world are broken again

i mean yeah, i guess expected?
It's a first gen of a new architecture, of course there's gonna be bumps.
if the performance is whats promised, then i'm up for bumps.
Can you imagine Neural engine and denoising, stuff like that? kapow

[Etienne1973]

Here are some new more realistic tests with cinebench R23

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments ... benchmark/

Sure M1 on chip GPU can't score. Bravo! You found the weak spot. More power to you.

[Ploki]

Here are some new more realistic tests with cinebench R23

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments ... benchmark/

Sure M1 on chip GPU can't score. Bravo! You found the weak spot. More power to you.

it's not M1, it's dev kit (A12)
devkit GB: 1000/4500
M1: 1700/7000

[UltraJv]

Here are some new more realistic tests with cinebench R23

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments ... benchmark/

Sure M1 on chip GPU can't score. Bravo! You found the weak spot. More power to you.

You guys will be saying that to all non favourable tests that will be coming. you have to look at all the info to get a picture or else you're fooling yourselves.

[Ploki]

You guys will be saying that to all non favourable tests that will be coming. you have to look at all the info to get a picture or else you're fooling yourselves.

M1 is ~60% faster in geek bench, and you're claiming that wont scale in cinebench based on... what?

[UltraJv]

You guys will be saying that to all non favourable tests that will be coming. you have to look at all the info to get a picture or else you're fooling yourselves.

M1 is ~60% faster in geek bench, and you're claiming that wont scale in cinebench based on... what?

How many M1 machines do you have exactly.? Geekbench is a toy. I wouldn't trust it to test anything except mobile devices. It's not a fully fledged test suite.

[Etienne1973]

Geekbench indicates raw CPU potential. Nothing more and nothing less.

[UltraJv]

Geekbench indicates raw CPU potential. Nothing more and nothing less.

It does not test for sustained load. So you wont see thermal throttling happening. Real applications tested for a reasonable length of time will be better.

[zvenx]

Even from os9 on mac they responded to right click functionality. For whatever reason apple pushed cntrl +left click which does the same albeit not as elegant imho. And indeed kept making only left click in their mice. But i had a microsoft mouse with right click on my mac since the 90s.
Rsp

I actually know why they do all that. Because, when the users gets back to Windows, or any other OS (Linux is lterally the same as Windows in terms of mouse and keyboard operation, Chrome OS too), the users thinks "Crap! Why don't my keyboard shortcuts don't work the same way as on a Mac!". Not because it's better, but, because Apple made things different to hook the user to the way it works on a Mac. Actually, what it rather does is make me want to pull my hair out whenever I'm on a Mac, and I expect the same operation as on literally any other OS out there.

Fortunately, they couldn't quite keep it that way, so people at least have the right mouse button operation now, and the command key works like the control key (while having another control key on a Mac keyboard, which doesn't do what it does on Windows, but rather opens up a pointless context menu, haha...).

Anyway, enough ranted. I keep my negative energy for the next session on my mom 's Mac.

lol
I strongly DOUBT that is why.
My first OS was unix, my second mac OS (in 1988), my third windows xp many years later.....
I am pretty sure that is NOT why
rsp

[chk071]

It might be a bit far fetched, but, as companies also try to create a corporate idenitity, that kind of thing would make sense to me.

[Etienne1973]

Geekbench indicates raw CPU potential. Nothing more and nothing less.

It does not test for sustained load. So you wont see thermal throttling happening. Real applications tested for a reasonable length of time will be better.

M1 could go down on its knees this way? You are the expert.

[Ploki]

How many M1 machines do you have exactly.? Geekbench is a toy. I wouldn't trust it to test anything except mobile devices. It's not a fully fledged test suite.

because i had a throttling i9 that i returned, and a Mini that throttles far less and i know what GB does and what to expect from logic based on GB results.
Mini 2018 and Mac Pro 2013 maxed bench similarly - mini sometimes better, but mac pro fares marginally better in logic for sustained loads.

I.e. the difference in sustained load hasn't been as dramatic for Intel chips as you make it out to be.

I'm interested in the cinebench benchmark indeed, but i want it done on the M1 not some dev kit that has a 2 gen older chip. Nor do i think you can extrapolate shit from the Dev kit bench.
I want a native build and M1 chip - that's the only relevant bench

[UltraJv]

Geekbench indicates raw CPU potential. Nothing more and nothing less.

It does not test for sustained load. So you wont see thermal throttling happening. Real applications tested for a reasonable length of time will be better.

M1 could go down on its knees this way? You are the expert.

Yes. With no fan on the entry level models, its designed to slow down when under load, creating a need for more expensive models with fans.

[Etienne1973]

M1 MacBook Air no fan. M1 Mac mini and MacBook Pro 13" both with fan.