Apple announces new Mac Mini, Air + 13" MBP featuring their own M1 chip.

[Cinebient]

...oh and of course we have to see how it performs, especially under Rosetta 2 then.
As long as it beats my i7 quadcore 2.0 Ghz from late 2013 i am fine with that.
My old also just has 8 GB RAM so i am fine with 16 GB (shared whatever it means)RAM as well so far.

Around 30-40% slower seems to be what several other devs of plugins have measured. This is pretty good for an emulation

Thank you. Compared to my old one it still should perform better in general then....hopefully. But i do not use that much third party stuff (since Logic is really good for me and offers most oof what i need), Icarus is indeed one of them so i will also see how that performs compared to my current set-up.
Also if Logic intern stuff runs now even better optimized it could give me some more headroom for the Rosetta 2 stuff.
Not sure about the RAM and stuff but when i see how well things can run even on my old iPhone 6S plus i think it could be good.

[Cinebient]

^
https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/produc ... at-we-know

Its going to be suck it sand see for programs and plugins that utilise newer instruction sets and processor features that allow them to run faster

Yeah, i wondered about plug-ins using AVX, AVX-2, AVX 512 or vectorizing and such things.
I also wonder if future plug-ins could make use of these machine learning engine f.e. like this DJ app thingie (i would never use but the general thing sounds interesting for real-time use for new interesting filtering, processing and whatever).

[george]

Yeah, i wondered about plug-ins using AVX, AVX-2, AVX 512 or vectorizing and such things.

https://github.com/simd-everywhere/simde

[Markus Krause]

AVX optimized plugins will run much slower on the M1. Rosetta2 does not support it. In the worst case a plugin with uses AVX can crash.
AVX is used in many FFT libraries . FFT is used for wavetables, Reverbs, denoising and sometimes filtering

[agharta]

AVX optimized plugins will run much slower on the M1. Rosetta2 does not support it. In the worst case a plugin with uses AVX can crash.
AVX is used in many FFT libraries . FFT is used for wavetables, Reverbs, denoising and sometimes filtering

Most apps will fall back and use SSE if AVX isn’t available so I wonder how it handles that?

[Markus Krause]

SSE is supported by Rosetta2

[Etienne1973]

Allegedly - 1st Real World Result

https://twitter.com/andysomerfield/stat ... 6635143169

[PAK]

There's quite a few out there, and probably some are commenting with less speculation than you'd think considering Apple already seeded reviewers with the hardware last week, and will lift the NDA's this Wednesday when their reviews will appear.

That said, they're pretty well known for giving it to those who tend to say nice things about them.. so we might need to wait a few days more for more critical opinions. Will be very interesting to see how the first fully native audio plugins do..

[Cinebient]

For sure i will run a Logic benchmark test as soon as it arrives.
I also will try hard to make it fail with all my non ARM plug-ins
Great to hear that Spectrasonics and U-he (and some others) might be already on the way in not so far future.
I also wonder about tools like miRack (kind of little child from VCV but runs much better on my mac) which seems to perform better on my mac as VCV but still not nearly as great as it runs on an iPad. So it should run even better on the M1....?
So as usual optimization is the key but as long as my most used plug-ins still run under Rosetta 2 at least as good as right now on my old machine (so cpu should be much faster but the same might be gone trough Rosetta 2) i can live with it for a while.
I wonder also if iOS AUv3 plug-ins could also run inside ARM Logic then, that would be great or if i would also need than an iOS DAW for this on ARM mac.

[Etienne1973]

There's quite a few out there, and probably some are commenting with less speculation than you'd think considering Apple already seeded reviewers with the hardware last week, and will lift the NDA's this Wednesday when their reviews will appear.

That said, they're pretty well known for giving it to those who tend to say nice things about them.. so we might need to wait a few days more for more critical opinions. Will be very interesting to see how the first fully native audio plugins do..

[Sascha Franck]

Allegedly - 1st Real World Result

https://twitter.com/andysomerfield/stat ... 6635143169

Unfortunately, there's still no tests conducted under longer, constant load.
That's what will be ultimately for all of use audio manglers.

However, so far the numbers are looking quite impressive.

[Markus Krause]

I ordered an M1 Mac for development and compatibility testing. I will receive it on Wednesday. I am not sponsored by Apple and will give you a honest and professional feedback how it performs for music-production under real-world conditions

[Etienne1973]

I ordered an M1 Mac for development and compatibility testing. I will receive it on Wednesday. I am not sponsored by Apple and will give you a honest and professional feedback how it performs for music-production under real-world conditions

Excellent.

Will you have your Tone2 products ready natively on Wednesday? Do you check under GarageBand or do you even have Logic Pro?

[Markus Krause]

I am a certified Apple developer pay money to Apple for it. Thats why i get betas for Logic and Garageband for free. So the software will be definitely tested on these. There are also many other hosts. However the current status is that they do not detect plugins when they run natively.
I currently don't know if our existing products compile natively for the M1. XCode 12 does not run on 10.14 and i need to keep Mojave on this machine for testing

[Ploki]

I am a certified Apple developer pay money to Apple for it. Thats why i get betas for Logic and Garageband for free. So the software will be definitely tested on these. There are also many other hosts. However the current status is that they do not detect plugins when they run natively.
I currently don't know if our existing products compile natively for the M1. XCode 12 does not run on 10.14 and i need to keep Mojave on this machine for testing

dual boot? Since APFS and dynamic volumes it shouldn't take more than ~10GB of space.

or external drive, macOS can boot from anything.