Apple announces new Mac Mini, Air + 13" MBP featuring their own M1 chip.

[zvenx]

I am a certified Apple developer pay money to Apple for it. Thats why i get betas for Logic and Garageband for free. So the software will be definitely tested on these. There are also many other hosts. However the current status is that they do not detect plugins when they run natively.
I currently don't know if our existing products compile natively for the M1. XCode 12 does not run on 10.14 and i need to keep Mojave on this machine for testing

I am sure you know you can partition your mac harddrive or even boot it off an external hard drive. That way you can switch between Mojave or Catalina or whatever you want to switch between.


Edit: Ploki beat me to it.


rsp

[Markus Krause]

No. I won't mess around with the bootsector. Especially not on a development-machine that runs reliable and which i need to build updates. That's too risky

[Etienne1973]

No. I won't mess around with the bootsector. Especially not on a development-machine that runs reliable and which i need to build updates. That's too risky

You could be the first audio dev with non-Rosetta 2 results.

[zvenx]

No. I won't mess around with the bootsector. Especially not on a development-machine that runs reliable and which i need to build updates. That's too risky

Its not something to 'mess around with boot sector'...
Or like a PC where you have to go into Bios
You simply install a different OS on a partition or an external hard drive which clearly wouldn't mess with your working internal hard drives, and when booting from the mac you hold down I believe the option key and you choose which OS/paritition/hd to boot up from. No messing with any text file or anything, just hold option key down.

I am starting to understand your 'relationship' with macs.

Or use system preferences.

https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-hel ... lp1034/mac

I have been using macs since 1988 and never has choosing a different hard drive messed up my main boot drive, ever.

But at the end of the day, clearly your call.

rsp

[Etienne1973]

I have been using macs since 1988 and never has chosen a different hard drive messed up my main boot drive, ever.

Same here. I'm using Macs on a daily basis since over 30 years.

[revvy]

I am starting to understand your 'relationship' with macs.

[Etienne1973]

Apple Silicon M1 Emulating x86 is Still Faster Than Every Other Mac in Single Core Benchmark



Since this version of Geekbench is running through Apple's translation layer Rosetta 2, an impact on performance is to be expected. Rosetta 2 running x86 code appears to be achieving 78%-79% of the performance of native Apple Silicon code.

Source: https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/15/m1 ... benchmark/

[Sascha Franck]

No. I won't mess around with the bootsector. Especially not on a development-machine that runs reliable and which i need to build updates. That's too risky

Dude, seriously, reading such a statement from a developer really makes me scratching my head, to put it mildly.

If anything, using various boot drives (internal or external) flawlessly without the slightest need for any kind of action (let alone "messing") has been one of *the* major strengths of Apple computers pretty much since the day OSX was released (and possibly even earlier) - and it's fully supported by Apple, too. There's not even a hint of messing, hacking or whatever involved, you just do it.
Each time some relevant system update is coming in, I do a clone of my system drive and boot from there (just to make sure the drive is working properly) before updating. Number of failed attempts over the last 12-13 years: Zero.
You don't even need any external software to clone your boot drive, it all comes with macOS - which shows how much this is supported, and you don't need any extra boot managers, either, it's all stock Apple stuff (personally, I'm using Carbon Copy Clone, though, as it's more comfortable as an incremental backup tool).

I'd expect each and every developer releasing stuff for macOS to check their software on the (usually three) macOS versions actively supported by Apple (as of today, these would be Mojave, Catalina and Big Sur, but in case you're cool you'd likely also check with High Sierra, at least briefly).

As zvenx already said, this puts your seemingly bad relationship with Apple and their OS into perspective...

[Markus Krause]

It seems you missunderstood me, since you do not know how the development and our company works. You don't know what computers we use. You don't know what operating systems we have installed. You don't know how we work. You don't know what tools we use and how the tools work.

You seem to assume that we only own and use a single computer. This isn't true at all.
I own 4 Mac Minis and 8 Windows PCs and one Linux machine. Troels also owns several Mac and PCs. A further Mac mini with M1 chipset that will be used for development in the future will arrive tomorrow. Various computers are used for development and testing. They all have different macOS / Windows versions installed. We properly test our software and regularly release updates. Troels always uses the latest macOS. I usually stick with a version for development that many customers currently use.
As a developer you sometimes need to stick with an older XCode version. Otherwise you need to drop support for older Machines. XCode 12 for example only supports down to OSX 10.9. XCode 10 goes down to 10.7. Not every customer always has the money to buy the latest hardware. Sometimes people need to stick with older operating systems, since there are no drivers for the expensive hardware they have bought.

I am out from this thread and will not longer waste my time here.

Bye by kvr

[Ploki]

No. I won't mess around with the bootsector. Especially not on a development-machine that runs reliable and which i need to build updates. That's too risky

i have a separate boot on my MacBook for live concerts... it's absolutely a non-issue to dualboot. I also have an external SSD where i have all the dirty things (I don't mean porn) I don't want on my computers, Mojave installation compatible with some old things which i sometimes plug in and plug it in from time to time and boot off it, both on my Mini and my MacBook Pro.
There's no messing with boot sector. I made that boot drive on my MacBook Pro 2012 and still use it on mbp 2018 and mini 2018

It seems you missunderstood me, since you do not know how the development and our company works. You don't know what computers we use. You don't know what operating systems we have installed. You don't know how we work. You don't know what tools we use and how the tools work.

You seem to assume that we only own and use a single computer. This isn't true at all.
I own 4 Mac Minis and 8 Windows PCs and one Linux machine. Troels also owns several Mac and PCs. A further Mac mini with M1 chipset that will be used for development in the future will arrive tomorrow. Various computers are used for development and testing. They all have different macOS / Windows versions installed. We properly test our software and regularly release updates. Troels always uses the latest macOS. I usually stick with a version for development that many customers currently use.
As a developer you sometimes need to stick with an older XCode version. Otherwise you need to drop support for older Machines. XCode 12 for example only supports down to OSX 10.9. XCode 10 goes down to 10.7. Not every customer always has the money to buy the latest hardware. Sometimes people need to stick with older operating systems, since there are no drivers for the expensive hardware they have bought.

I am out from this thread and will not longer waste my time here.

Bye by kvr

dude take a deep breath

deploying dual boots to couple of Macs that need it (Troels doesn't apparently) is one afternoon's work.

Also re: expensive hardware, my RME Fireface 800 still works on catalina, no doubt it will on Big Sur as well.
If companies depreciate expensive hardware too soon by not releasing drivers, THEY should be held accountable for it. Not apple for working around intel's inability to produce competitive chips.

[Markus Krause]

deploying dual boots to couple of Macs that need it (Troels doesn't apparently) is one afternoon's work.

Another completely false submission about something that you simply can't know. Troels is an absolute expert for the Mac and does this since years. He even runs Windows on his Mac for gaming.

But as mentioned before:

I am out from this thread and will not longer justify or waste my time here.

Bye by kvr

[Ploki]

deploying dual boots to couple of Macs that need it (Troels doesn't apparently) is one afternoon's work.

Another completely false submission about something that you simply can't know. Troels is an absolute expert for the Mac and does this since years. He even runs Windows on his Mac for gaming.

But as mentioned before:

I am out from this thread and will not longer justify or waste my time here.

Bye by kvr

I mentioned he doesn't need dual boots because he's always on the latest version anyway, something I picked up from your post. It wasn't meant as an insult, sorry if it came across as such, it was a comment on that you apparently don't need to dual boot ALL of your computers since not everybody apparently needs it

[Sascha Franck]

It seems you missunderstood me, since you do not know how the development and our company works. You don't know what computers we use. You don't know what operating systems we have installed. You don't know how we work. You don't know what tools we use and how the tools work.

That is all fine and dandy. Yet, booting a Mac from whatever internal or external sources has nothing to do with "bootsector mess" - which is what you said.

[Sascha Franck]

Double...

[Double Tap]

I do hope Markus does come back to say what his experiences are with the Mini because I think the opinion of someone who has set out in a slightly more sceptical fashion towards the new tech will have a different perspective.