KVR Audio

SamDi · Post by **SamDi** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:58 pm

antic604 wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:09 pm
SamDi wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:01 pm...and then VAT was added. How silly is that?
Well, if it doesn't add value to your DAW collection, then why are you even considering it?

It would have added value - worth 389 for me, but not 450. Just reconsidering, yet to get the signature bundle from audiodeluxe.com

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:38 pm

yepp, Signature+Harmor that's the general starting point

btw. Harmor has an amazing free handbook, https://www.malmgren.nl/Harmor.pdf

and forum, https://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic.php?t=167682

wuworld · Post by **wuworld** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:06 pm

Was asking the same thing for myself. For the all plugins FL addition my upgrade is $110. Then I see Soundtoys is $200 (don't know much about them). Then the Arturia Effx collection is on sale.

Reefius · Post by **Reefius** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:47 pm

antic604 wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:37 am Thanks. However what I find wonderful, is devs' engagement in discussion. I can only imagine how great it would be to have Claes, Nicholas and Alexandre (and others I don't know) participating in Bitwig's forum

Dom used to be quite active on the forum, but then suddenly he disappeared. Any idea what happened?

kvotchin · Post by **kvotchin** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:13 pm

I have a soft spot for FL Studio. It has a lot going for it, but honestly, it also needs a lot of work bringing it all up to date.

But then, that’s true of almost all of the “old school” crew of DAWs. Happens with some plugins, etc., too. Some kinds of work won’t be done until their business is dying, and maybe not even then, lol.

AcrossTheSky · Post by **AcrossTheSky** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:18 pm

time to get the deal so they can be motivated to release v21,
I just went for it for 102£.....why not...

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Kongru · Post by **Kongru** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:23 pm

Just be aware that if you buy FL Studio you’re stuck with it for life, no reselling.

Reefius · Post by **Reefius** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:31 pm

Kongru wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:23 pm Just be aware that if you buy FL Studio you’re stuck with it for life, no reselling.

I'm quite sure that's illegal in Europe.

Kongru · Post by **Kongru** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:07 pm

Reefius wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:31 pm
Kongru wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:23 pm Just be aware that if you buy FL Studio you’re stuck with it for life, no reselling.
I'm quite sure that's illegal in Europe.

Well that’s their policy and they enforce it.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:14 pm

Kongru wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:07 pm
Reefius wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:31 pm
Kongru wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:23 pm Just be aware that if you buy FL Studio you’re stuck with it for life, no reselling.
I'm quite sure that's illegal in Europe.
Well that’s their policy and they enforce it.

It's not a matter of enforcing it. By buying it you agree to the T&C and 2-party agreement entered by both parties into in good faith and full transparency supersedes law. And in this case buyer obviously waives their right to re-sell for the benefit free lifetime updates.

AcrossTheSky · Post by **AcrossTheSky** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:29 pm

I don't think anyone should feel as if they sort of lost/thrown/wasted money when they purchased anything from Image line..
So many companies out there do not allow orchestral libraries transfers etcfor example..I'm happy to spend the £££ on the software I'll use for another lets say 10-15 years and not pay anything extra...Knowing a DAW inside out 90% is better then only any other one 50%..I hope something is coming FL Studio wise..I guess they may release a new stuff outside the (upgrade for life at the time of purchase) option ...to keep them going $$$ wise...who knows...it may seem to be an option - if you think about it..surely they want to keep it going...will see...

AcrossTheSky · Post by **AcrossTheSky** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:38 pm

btw...have a look at Vital synth $$$ model...
Free , Plus Pro and Subscribe,,,
I guess Pro make sense but...what is :
First access to new features or First access to new plugins (Subscribe)
Will Pro have the - features - new plugins ?? (whats that) eventually for free??

--Anyway what I'm trying to say is - At least with ImageLine I know I'll get all for free updates-features in the next 10 20.... years time.Full Stop.

ReleaseCandidate · Post by **ReleaseCandidate** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:42 pm

antic604 wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:14 pm
Kongru wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:07 pm
Reefius wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:31 pm
Kongru wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:23 pm Just be aware that if you buy FL Studio you’re stuck with it for life, no reselling.
I'm quite sure that's illegal in Europe.
Well that’s their policy and they enforce it.
It's not a matter of enforcing it. By buying it you agree to the T&C and 2-party agreement entered by both parties into in good faith and full transparency supersedes law.

No, that doesn't work that way in the EU. A software vendor has to let people resell their license.

An author of software cannot oppose the resale of his ‘used’ licences allowing the
use of his programs downloaded from the internet
The exclusive right of distribution of a copy of a computer program covered by such a licence is
exhausted on its first sale

Press release:
https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/doc ... 0094en.pdf

Actual judgement in all languages of the EU:
http://curia.europa.eu/juris/liste.jsf? ... anguage=en

SamDi · Post by **SamDi** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:45 pm

wuworld wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:06 pm Was asking the same thing for myself. For the all plugins FL addition my upgrade is $110. Then I see Soundtoys is $200 (don't know much about them). Then the Arturia Effx collection is on sale.

Yes, this year's November is crazy: new Macs, new Ableton, new Cubase, new Roli Equator, Vital and in between all these crazy BF offers. Arturia Fx is also under my observation

May I ask, from where you could upgrade for $110? Might be an option to buy Signature Edition at audiodeluxe.com and then upgrade to All Plugins Bundle.

AcrossTheSky · Post by **AcrossTheSky** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:51 pm

ReleaseCandidate wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:42 pm
antic604 wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:14 pm
Kongru wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:07 pm
Reefius wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:31 pm
Kongru wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:23 pm Just be aware that if you buy FL Studio you’re stuck with it for life, no reselling.
I'm quite sure that's illegal in Europe.
Well that’s their policy and they enforce it.
It's not a matter of enforcing it. By buying it you agree to the T&C and 2-party agreement entered by both parties into in good faith and full transparency supersedes law.
No, that doesn't work that way in the EU. A software vendor has to let people resell their license.
An author of software cannot oppose the resale of his ‘used’ licences allowing the
use of his programs downloaded from the internet
The exclusive right of distribution of a copy of a computer program covered by such a licence is
exhausted on its first sale
Press release:
https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/doc ... 0094en.pdf

Actual judgement in all languages of the EU:
http://curia.europa.eu/juris/liste.jsf? ... anguage=en

that's why I guess there is loads of secondhand software sold on ebay...
shame that people buy (possibly/or surely unaware)...I hope they quickly realize they cannot get any updates/upgrades etc ..
waste of money...

Should I get FL Studio All Plugins Edition?