Apple announces new Mac Mini, Air + 13" MBP featuring their own M1 chip.

[UltraJv]

From the business angle, backwards compatibility problems with M1 may encourage more people to go Microsoft

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/as-ap ... rning_brew

https://www.convergetechmedia.com/apple ... e-mac/amp/

[revvy]

https://www.convergetechmedia.com/apple ... e-mac/amp/

"It could be a big win for Apple driving more business and profit, but it could also be a black eye if it doesn’t meet user demands, and at this point, it is a coin flip for me."

Incisive stuff.

[Sascha Franck]

From the business angle, backwards compatibility problems with M1 may encourage more people to go Microsoft

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/as-ap ... rning_brew

https://www.convergetechmedia.com/apple ... e-mac/amp/

These are old news already. Apart from not being able to run Windows and some selected software, the M1 machines are running a whole lot of made-for-Intel things just fine under Rosetta. And there's rumours of some folks already working on solutions to make Windows work in VMs - maybe there'll even be a new ARM-compatible Windows version.
And if I was Microsoft, I'd possibly do anything to come up with such a version - because I'd bet pretty much anything that these M1 Macs will be an incredibly huge success for Apple. So much that MS certainly wouldn't mind selling a bunch of Win10/Arm licenses to them.

Let's just look at those people KVR folks might be familiar with: Sort of younger, aspiring music producers looking for a powerful machine. Get a <€800 M1 Mac Mini and Logic Pro for a bit over 200 and you're done for 1000 bucks (ok, peripherals not includes, but you need them anyway), getting this kind of performance straight out of the box:

There's absolutely no other package delivering that much power and flexibility for that price, nothing else is even getting remotely close.
It might be pretty similar for people with other interests.

[Etienne1973]

[UltraJv]

From the business angle, backwards compatibility problems with M1 may encourage more people to go Microsoft

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/as-ap ... rning_brew

https://www.convergetechmedia.com/apple ... e-mac/amp/

These are old news already. Apart from not being able to run Windows and some selected software, the M1 machines are running a whole lot of made-for-Intel things just fine under Rosetta. And there's rumours of some folks already working on solutions to make Windows work in VMs - maybe there'll even be a new ARM-compatible Windows version.
And if I was Microsoft, I'd possibly do anything to come up with such a version - because I'd bet pretty much anything that these M1 Macs will be an incredibly huge success for Apple. So much that MS certainly wouldn't mind selling a bunch of Win10/Arm licenses to them.

Let's just look at those people KVR folks might be familiar with: Sort of younger, aspiring music producers looking for a powerful machine. Get a <€800 M1 Mac Mini and Logic Pro for a bit over 200 and you're done for 1000 bucks (ok, peripherals not includes, but you need them anyway), getting this kind of performance straight out of the box:

There's absolutely no other package delivering that much power and flexibility for that price, nothing else is even getting remotely close.
It might be pretty similar for people with other interests.

You clearly didnt read the articles. dated November 2020. The best I will say is its a temporary potential win for consumers but a loss for business where reliability and backwards compatibility has to be rock solid. Rosetta2 is very heavy on CPU, not atall reliable and will be deprecated. The units are built with future obsolescence and are unrepairable. The guy who wrote the articles knows more about this than me or a few fanboys.

[Markus Krause]

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And there's rumours of some folks already working on solutions to make Windows work in VMs - maybe there'll even be a new ARM-compatible Windows version.
And if I was Microsoft, I'd possibly do anything to come up with such a version - because I'd bet pretty much anything that these M1 Macs will be an incredibly huge success for Apple. So much that MS certainly wouldn't mind selling a bunch of Win10/Arm licenses to them.

MS already did this in the past and failed. Microsoft Surface with "Windows 10 for ARM" did not sell well.

ARM cores are used in a number of products, particularly PDAs and smartphones. Some computing examples are Microsoft's first generation Surface, Surface 2 and Pocket PC devices (following 2002), Apple's iPads and Asus's Eee Pad Transformer tablet computers, and several Chromebook laptops.

reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Surface
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture

[Ploki]

You clearly didnt read the articles. dated November 2020. The best I will say is its a potnetial win for consumers but a loss for business where reliability and backwards compatibility has to be rock solid. Rosetta2 is very heavy on CPU and will be deprecated. The guy who wrote the articles knows more about this than me or a few fanboys.

the article's points are addressed in art technica's review...

Rosetta 2 has a 20-30% CPU hit, but the CPU's themselves are 3-4x better.
To put it simply: An M1 13" MBP will run circles around intel 13" even via Rosetta.

Reliability is not an issue. Backwards compatibility will be as soon as they drop rosetta, but that's to be expected. Same thing happend when catalina dropped 32bit...

MS already did this in the past and failed. Microsoft Surface with "Windows 10 for ARM" did not sell well.

that doesn't say much. Apple stole a lot of shit that other people did and failed at. Apple is just good at perfecting shit

[UltraJv]

You clearly didnt read the articles. dated November 2020. The best I will say is its a potnetial win for consumers but a loss for business where reliability and backwards compatibility has to be rock solid. Rosetta2 is very heavy on CPU and will be deprecated. The guy who wrote the articles knows more about this than me or a few fanboys.

the article's points are addressed in art technica's review...

Rosetta 2 has a 20-30% CPU hit, but the CPU's themselves are 3-4x better.
To put it simply: An M1 13" MBP will run circles around intel 13" even via Rosetta.

Reliability is not an issue. Backwards compatibility will be as soon as they drop rosetta, but that's to be expected. Same thing happend when catalina dropped 32bit...

Of course reliability is an issue. If you break the keyboard, screen or trackpad, it cant be repaired. The units havnt been out long enough for these problems to arise. I guess Apple owners are used to throwing away kit when they break it. Thats your choice now with these. Does the Butterfly keyboard mean anything to you?

[Markus Krause]

Backwards compatibility is already currently an issue:
- Dongles
- Hardware drivers
- Installers/ Certificates / Notarisation (check out the developer forum for more info)

Future issues:
- Rosetta2 will be dropped

[revvy]

The guy who wrote the articles knows more about this than me or a few fanboys.

I'm sure he does. But he's tossing a coin. What should the rest of us do, use runes?

[UltraJv]

The guy who wrote the articles knows more about this than me or a few fanboys.

I'm sure he does. But he's tossing a coin. What should the rest of us do, use runes?

Simply wait and dont be an early adopter.

[Ploki]

Backwards compatibility is already currently an issue:
- Dongles
- Hardware drivers
- Installers/ Certificates / Notarisation (check out the developer forum for more info)

RME said they're compatible

Of course reliability is an issue. If you break the keyboard, screen or trackpad, it cant be repaired. The units havnt been out long enough for these problems to arise. I guess Apple owners are used to throwing away kit when they break it. Thats your choice now with these. Does the Butterfly keyboard mean anything to you?

How is this at all relevant for M1 macs tho?
it's a general remark about how apple has been doing thing for literally years.

my experience is the following, for the 2012 15":
- screen broke (exploded pixel): free replacement after warranty
- 2nd screen peeled: free replacement as part of recall
- battery died: free replacement 5 years after purchase
the computer was spilled with whiskey more than once and coffee twice.

And yes, i have a 2018 butterfly 13", so far so good, but i'm generally not worried because they already put out the recall program and it's gonna run long enough while the laptop will still have value.
2008 13" gf had still works. all of my iphone still work...

Do you even own an apple computer, or are you another one of worried PC users about how mac users use their computers?

[revvy]

The guy who wrote the articles knows more about this than me or a few fanboys.

I'm sure he does. But he's tossing a coin. What should the rest of us do, use runes?

Simply wait and dont be an early adopter.

Well, yah, of course. Crossing my fingers that my iMac lasts for a while yet.

[Ploki]

Also how is rosetta being dropped in 3 years a backward compatibility issue? You can still keep running your rosetta2 compatible M1 mac with last available rosetta version and get at least couple of years from it.
It's an issue for 6 years in the future...

[UltraJv]

Also how is rosetta being dropped in 3 years a backward compatibility issue? You can still keep running your rosetta2 compatible M1 mac with last available rosetta version and get at least couple of years from it.
It's an issue for 6 years in the future...

You will argue the point for any reason. Youve been given enough info.