eXT: What You're Waiting for Before You'll Switch

[elfan]

Then there's the things that can be done... but can they be done easily? That's, in my honest and sincere opinion, just as important. When it comes to making music, a workaround is almost never a real workaround, because you have to do these processes over and over again... and it is not a solution to let this extra wasted time and inspiration just add up and up.

Exactly! It's hard to design an efficient workflow. Not only does it have to work functionally, but it also has to be intuitive, unintrusive and generally help the user to do the things he/she wants to do.

Of course, nobody can expect a workaround to be as good as it can get, 'cause then it would have been a solution instead of a workaround, wouldn't it ?

//Tomas

[elfan]

When it uses full resolution parameter automation (instead of midi cc style).

This has to be teh first thing that turned me off eXT. MIDI is a great way to get data to/from hardware. Software is SO MUCH more capable. Just dump MIDI almost entirely, please. 0-127 is a RIDICULOUS restriction.

I'm completely with you on this one. Maybe there's technical reasons for having such a restriction that I don't know about, maybe it's noticeably harder to implement 32-bit resolution automation, but I can see no real reasons for not having it. It's one of the two or three issues that I have with eXT that's preventing me from becoming more productive than ever... and to fully dedicate myself to eXT .

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Oh, and the other issue would be lack of audial feedback/note auditioning in the sequencer/midi parts. I said "two or three" issues... I think there was a third one, but it must have slipped my mind.

Basically, my problems lie within midi/audio editing and VST automation.
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//Tomas

[lalo]

...agree....so let's go implement OSC in eXT and build a DIY OSC hardware controller..or sell your mom and go buy some of those expensive prebuilt motherfuckers

..i think vst automation is in jorgen's plans
lalo

[silicon/silicium]

damn lalo spoke and I don't heard any "live, sync, loop point modulation, and such exoctic terms


btw, I have a question: why the hell is the pan in seq not automatable????

[lalo]

damn lalo spoke and I don't heard any "live, sync, loop point modulation, and such exoctic terms


btw, I have a question: why the hell is the pan in seq not automatable????

..but i talked about OSC hardware controller..to modulate sample loop points in a very high resolution
....if you go deeper in my words you'll see the damn ol' dirty lalo
love m8
lalo

[_starcraft_]

i need basic audio editing in EXT before i make the switch.

[papawillow]

Making Waves, Live, Acid, Orion, Podium and Renoise are my sequencers,, so for me Xt needs to release a surface/frame with more 'solid' feel and look, (Jorgen mentioned he is working on this ), other than that i use it as a vst host within these sequencers.

[elfan]

..but i talked about OSC hardware controller..to modulate sample loop points in a very high resolution
....if you go deeper in my words you'll see the damn ol' dirty lalo
love m8
lalo

Heh! Yeaaa ! Just try to do some serious sample start/stop loop start/stop position automation using midi cc . Higher resolution is an absolute requirement in that case.



(Well, sample start/stop loop start/stop modulation is not possible yet, but assuming it was, then you'd definitely require 32-bit automation ).

//Tomas

[lalo]

..but i talked about OSC hardware controller..to modulate sample loop points in a very high resolution
....if you go deeper in my words you'll see the damn ol' dirty lalo
love m8
lalo

Heh! Yeaaa ! Just try to do some serious sample start/stop loop start/stop position automation using midi cc . Higher resolution is an absolute requirement in that case.



(Well, sample start/stop loop start/stop modulation is not possible yet, but assuming it was, then you'd definitely require 32-bit automation ).

//Tomas

yes sure ...but if you like to do some......
live stuff...you'll surely need a fine/coarse stuff via Midi...that's why i proposed the modulation multiplier in sampler being automatable via midi..this way you can tune your modulation from very fine values to big steps ...i'm still on the path

[Lunch Money]

Vertical resizing, for example (which I know is on the way at some point in time)

oh please - hopefully not

Jens, you're a swell guy, but sometimes you just don't make sense. If you like the vertical size the way it is, you DO realize you will have the option to never ever touch it yourself, right? Having this functionality isn't suddenly going to force you to resize your tracks!

Greg

[jens]

Vertical resizing, for example (which I know is on the way at some point in time)

oh please - hopefully not

Jens, you're a swell guy, but sometimes you just don't make sense. If you like the vertical size the way it is, you DO realize you will have the option to never ever touch it yourself, right? Having this functionality isn't suddenly going to force you to resize your tracks!

Greg

you mean just as with Tracktion? (which always ends up in a complete mess)

No, thanks - I want it clean and eXT is the only sequencer of the many I ever used which always stays clear&clean even if I use more than twenty tracks and this is for a big part due to the 'not-vertically-resizable'-tracks - and then: what should be the use for it? Why exactly do you want to resize the tracks at all?

[NicFit]

- and then: what should be the use for it? Why exactly do you want to resize the tracks at all?

My thoughts exactly...just curious what the benefits would be. I guess tracktion has no folder tracks so I couldn't imagine trying to deal with such a mess. You may noticed that all my presets have the positionong set so that the signals routings are set horizontal/verticle to the pixel. I must have a mild case of OCD ...I think if one of my sequencer tracks was resized by mistake I would go into seizure.

nF

[jens]

b.t.w.: the ability to chnage the in-track-editing zoom and/or editor-height would be a good and useful feature - but that's not what you've been asking for.

[jens]

I guess tracktion has no folder tracks so I couldn't imagine trying to deal with such a mess.

nF

it's terrible - I can tell you - also this ridiculous 'all-in-one-windows-paradigm' can be a nightmare - you're zooming in a bit to edit an automation-curve (which sits on the track it is routed to and therefor gets really really tiny when you have a somewhat bigger tune) which means you're continously resizing your tracks and as if that wouldn't be enough of a mess you have to be careful if the midi-editor is opened (automatically because of the zoom-level) not to accidently select the midi-clip instead of the automation curve

The problem with Tracktion is that arranging and editing gets mixed up in a clumsy way and if people (like Greg) are too much used to this crappy way of working they probably have problems to adjust themself to a somewhat cleaner workflow.

[Lunch Money]

Bah!

Tracktion's tracks are a mess, but not because of resizing. More, it's because of lack of track folders (yay, XT!) and not being able to select particular tracks for resizing. The actual resizing algorithm isn't the culprit.

However, Jens, it IS a zoomable and vertically resizable in-track editor that I guess I really want. I don't see how this is different than what I originally said. <chuckle> Resizing... zooming... it amounts to the same thing!

Put it this way-- I can't currently look at the waveform on any reasonable scale and chop up the audio that way. Ditto for the sampler, actually. How can anyone work with waveforms that are so small on the screen?

Also, as mentioned-- nobody is forcing you to use the function if it's there. If Tracktion becomes a mess for you, you have nobody to blame but yourself. You could have easily NOT resized those tracks, if that's what you wanted. Honestly!

Greg