Apple announces new Mac Mini, Air + 13" MBP featuring their own M1 chip.

[Markus Krause]

So far did not have a single customer who asked for native Windows ARM support. I also don't know anyone who uses Windows 10 for ARM. Also the statistics say the don't sell well

[UltraJv]

You will argue the point for any reason. Youve been given enough info.

So far, all we've seen from you is speculation rather than "info".

The business analyst article I posted gave a fair appraisal. All Im seeing from you is also speculation based on fanboy review and perspective. None of it looks at the bigger picture.

[Sascha Franck]

The business analyst gave a fair appraisal. All Im seeing from you is also speculation based on fanboy review and perspective. None of it looks at the bigger picture.

First: The business analyst thing was pure speculation and written before the M1 machines were released.
Second: I never knew Cinebench and Geekbench were run by Apple fanboys.

And btw, are you an Apple user?

[Sascha Franck]

And fwiw, why would I look at any big picture if I wanted a fast new Logic machine today? In 1-2 months there'll be drivers for all major interfaces and a few weeks later all relevant plugins will either be ported or work under Rosetta. That'd be enough of a big picture for me.

[Sascha Franck]

So far did not have a single customer who asked for native Windows ARM support. I also don't know anyone who uses Windows 10 for ARM. Also the statistics say the don't sell well

Err... seriously? Why would they?
These ARM Macs are brandnew and will change a lot of things.

[Ploki]

I think he misread you, that you said that ARM Surface's were selling well whereas you were referring to M1's

[UltraJv]

The business analyst gave a fair appraisal. All Im seeing from you is also speculation based on fanboy review and perspective. None of it looks at the bigger picture.

First: The business analyst thing was pure speculation and written before the M1 machines were released.
Second: I never knew Cinebench and Geekbench were run by Apple fanboys.

And btw, are you an Apple user?

Cinebench is reasonable. Geekbench is toy used for mobile devices. Please. Nothing evaluates properly except real applications. My perspective is from IT support. I have to advise and evaluate on sustainability and maintenance of products. The Apple change is a cause for concern due to change management. Unlike home users, business has to have properly managed changes when tech evolves. It takes months of testing each app under various conditions. This creates more work and expense that the companies have to swallow. The feedback Im getting is that companies are looking to scrap Apple due to the mess that you cant see.

[zvenx]

The business analyst gave a fair appraisal. All Im seeing from you is also speculation based on fanboy review and perspective. None of it looks at the bigger picture.

First: The business analyst thing was pure speculation and written before the M1 machines were released.
Second: I never knew Cinebench and Geekbench were run by Apple fanboys.

And btw, are you an Apple user?

Cinebench is reasonable. Geekbench is toy used for mobile devices. Please. Nothing evaluates properly except real applications. My perspective is from IT support. I have to advise and evaluate on sustainability and maintenance of products. The Apple change is a cause for concern due to change management. Unlike home users, business has to have properly managed changes when tech evolves. It takes months of testing each app under various conditions. This creates more work and expense that the companies have to swallow. The feedback Im getting is that companies are looking to scrap Apple due to the mess that you cant see.

I think all fair points.
But I add that in general change is bad period for an IT support in corporate.
Which is why Ransomware that affects Windows XP computers still are so devastating for some businesses.
rsp

[Ploki]

Cinebench is reasonable. Geekbench is toy used for mobile devices. Please. Nothing evaluates properly except real applications. My perspective is from IT support. I have to advise and evaluate on sustainability and maintenance of products. The Apple change is a cause for concern due to change management. Unlike home users, business has to have properly managed changes when tech evolves. It takes months of testing each app under various conditions. This creates more work and expense that the companies have to swallow. The feedback Im getting is that companies are looking to scrap Apple due to the mess that you cant see.

geekbench was used for gauging performance way before it was even supported on mobile devices.
And it generally presents a good estimate of performance - as it was proven here...
i.e. Mini i7 scores 5500 on geekbench, MBA scores 7200, roughly 24% better score.
Mini i7 scores 80 tracks on the TNM logic benchmark
MBA scores 99. roughly 20% better score.

4% difference. it's still a decent estimate.

Business is a completely different story, but afaik most are not apple based anyway.
Apple did with M1 what they've done with their original Macs - a nice edge for the creative professional

[Sascha Franck]

I think he misread you, that you said that ARM Surface's were selling well whereas you were referring to M1's

Yeah, perhaps.

[Sascha Franck]

Cinebench is reasonable. Geekbench is toy used for mobile devices. Please. Nothing evaluates properly except real applications.

There's tests with real applications. Where's your problem?

[Sascha Franck]

And fwiw:

The feedback Im getting is that companies are looking to scrap Apple due to the mess that you cant see.

Given that Apple sold more Macs than ever before in 2019 doesn't look like anyone is scrapping them.

[Markus Krause]

Cinebench (=raytracing) and handbrake (=encoding a video) are two well-known benchmarks which are most representative of real-world audio-plugin performance.
When i buy a new CPU i check these out

[Cinebient]

Even if no one here cares but the option to use some of the really great iOS music apps is a big plus for me like f.e. Drambo from Beepstreet.
Sadly i still have to wait until next Thursday for my macbook pro M1.
Whatever Apple did and people says its the devil and sure are large desktop systems still faster but i think Apple really starts with a game changer here.
We should really not forget that this are the low end entree chips and for that they seems to be fantastic.
No one is forced to go with Apple or another brand and i do not care about a brand either but so far these M-whatever chips sounds like the future for me.
In the meantime i still enjoy my intel macbook which gets hot and loud just by watching you-tube. I will not miss it a second.

[Markus Krause]

Benchmark Cinebench R23 multithread:

AMD Ryzen 9 5950x : 29776
Intel Core I9 9960x: 17935
AMD Ryzen 7 5800x: 15911
Intel Core I7 10700k: 13302
AMD Ryzen 5 5600x: 11313
Intel Core I5 8600k: 7592
Apple M1: 7508


reference:
https://www.computerbase.de/2020-11/cin ... enchmarks/