Any news on Kontakt GUI?

[antic604]

High DPI doesn't work with Kontakt. Studio One 5 same as 4. I guess my two last big feature requests for Studio One are fixing High DPI with Kontakt and Retrospective record.

You've not replied to other 2 questions, but I just checked and you're right - it scales it just fine, but all the controls stop working as if the underlying control logic wasn't scaled

Also, v5 has added retrospective recording for audio, up to 1 minute. Curiously not for MIDI.

[puremusic]

What other 2 questions?

[puremusic]

The MIDI is the one I'm interested in, but it's nice to know about audio. Where is that feature implemented in the menus?

[antic604]

What other 2 questions?

Do you have high-DPI support in S1 enabled.
Is "Enable system DPI scaling" for Kontakt selected.

BTW, if you want people responding to you please use forum's quotation feature, because otherwise I can't be bothered checking if you replied or not

[puremusic]

What other 2 questions?

Do you have high-DPI support in S1 enabled.
Is "Enable system DPI scaling" for Kontakt selected.

BTW, if you want people responding to you please use forum's quotation feature, because otherwise I can't be bothered checking if you replied or not

That's just one question, and I would've thought my reply "High DPI doesn't work with Kontakt." would've answered that for you. I enable system DPI scaling on the plugins it works on.

[antic604]

What other 2 questions?

Do you have high-DPI support in S1 enabled.
Is "Enable system DPI scaling" for Kontakt selected.

BTW, if you want people responding to you please use forum's quotation feature, because otherwise I can't be bothered checking if you replied or not

That's just one question, and I would've thought my reply "High DPI doesn't work with Kontakt." would've answered that for you. I enable system DPI scaling on the plugins it works on.

Well, technically those are 2 actions hence 2 questions - you can enable high-DPI support for S1, but not for plugin itself

The same problem that you see with Kontakt is with Rektor or Air Loom II. Have you ever filed a bug report to Presonus about it? I simply moved to a 1080p screen, which I'd recommend to you as well, since you're already running at 225% scaling anyway. Or change screen resolution to 1080p in Windows and disable high-DPI in S1. Hopefully they'll fix it eventually.

[kevvvvv]

Since upgrading Kontakt to retina is such a huge job for NI, my growing suspicion is that they mightn't be able to afford it.

My suspicion goes further.

I'm guessing they've been stalling on this decision for a very long time now, as upgrading to retina won't generate a big new income stream like, say, introducing Massive X or other big seller.

Retina is merely a low profit, high cost, catchup exercise, and NI know this.

Plus a Retina upgrade will probably annoy all their sample house partners, who'll be forced into a costly reskinning exercise and an unwelcome learning curve with new graphic design rules to onboard.

Many smaller sample houses may struggle with this.

I further guess that NI have stalled for years, with no one at NI prepared to bite the bullet and say "let's do it!"

Plus there have been absolutely nil announcements or hints on retina from NI.

It's their "elephant in the room".

They prefer to hardnose the market and ignore it.

Their financials suggest a 3.5 million loss in 2018, and possibly a big tax liability, though I'm not an accountant, so I can't say with any certainty.
https://www.bundesanzeiger.de/pub/de/suchergebnis?9

There's also a Reddit speculative comment: Financial analysis of Native Instruments
https://www.reddit.com/r/DJs/comments/c ... struments/

And ex-employees say they've been laying off staff a lot.

All the above is pure speculation, merely my attempt to try and explain NI's blatant unwillingness to even discuss the Retina issue for over 3 years now.

Nobody wants them to go under as we've all invested a packet in their pricey sample packs.

But I still wonder all the same.

[jancivil]

perspective here:

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this is my full screen, Kontakt default vis Synchron Player 100% in VE Pro 7. Cubase 11 peeking thru at the bottom

This is Kontakt resized a bit in the same display:

Ktkt resized.jpg

Relative to eg., Trilian, pretty much the same, default Kontakt is a wee bit smaller and a slight resize brings it to parity.
Relative to Vienna Instruments Pro, Kontakt is slightly taller. I don't actually recall a great clamor, but VSL did go the bitmap route for the later product lines.

Just for perspective, on physical perspective. Kontakt default size uses the same amount of space in Cubase 11.
It may well be that NI's perspective on or perception of this is more like my literal perspective here.

Display Type: Built-In Retina LCD
Resolution: 3072 x 1920 Retina

This is not to dismiss anyone's experience but the perception seems heavily weighted to the perception of 'tiny'; and on this system, or the last system, let alone a 15" display, I couldn't use the word 'tiny'. I don't have any insight as to what NI is thinking/planning but the will to delve into this is so far not present, so we might wonder if that perception is as overwhelming as you'd think judging from KVR Forums.

So, they could want to do what VSL has done there, that kind of graphics. I admit I sometimes resize Kontakt to like it is in the second image. If this Kontakt instance were a multi, it can be further stretched vertically to take up the whole display. This is as far as it stretches horizontally.

[Echoes in the Attic]

They went high res for Guitar Rig, so I see no reason they won't be able to with Kontakt. It'll be tricky with 3rd party stuff though because those use images of a fixed size, but I guess that just means those instruments are stuck at those sizes until the devs update it. Hopefully they allow for 3rd party interface resizing as well (multiple background image sizes for example). Same exact thing for Reaktor. Making the built-in knobs and building blocks should be perfectly doable, but I guess when it comes to 3rd party stuff like custom knobs and images, it makes it more difficult. I really hope they make reaktor resizable and multi-touch.s

[audiot]

It'll be tricky with 3rd party stuff though because those use images of a fixed size ...

Exactly that is the problem in my opinion! It shouldnt be a problem to write a function that moves the x and y positions of all controls based on a fixed percentage value and then replace their pictures with alternative hi-res pics, BUT all the 3rd party UI's would look blurry. I think this is the reason why NI prefers to avoid the term

I would be completly satisfied if they redesign the editing options. Phase plant, for example, has a great solution. You can open the multistage LFO editor in a separate window, that's resizable and freely moveable in your DAW. Image if the Wave-Editor of Kontakt would open in a separate window with larger controls ... that would be The editing options are way to cluttered and could be arranged in a smarter way.