[rock] "why does the rain never end?"
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- KVRAF
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- 2587 posts since 19 Mar, 2008 from germany
Imagine it's raining and it doesn't stop! What do you do?
Just listen to our song:
Direct link: http://enroe.bplaced.net/21_mn/23_songs ... er_end.mp3
Website with animation: "why does the rain never end"
Note: This requires clicking the grey "play"-button.
Enjoy!
Just listen to our song:
Direct link: http://enroe.bplaced.net/21_mn/23_songs ... er_end.mp3
Website with animation: "why does the rain never end"
Note: This requires clicking the grey "play"-button.
Enjoy!
free mp3s + info: andy-enroe.de songs + weird stuff: enroe.de
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Paladin on a Horse Paladin on a Horse https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=478325
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- 83 posts since 7 Nov, 2020
Note: This requires clicking the grey "play"-button.
I did but nothing happened.
I did but nothing happened.
Just an old bloke who likes listening to a wide range of music. I also fart quite a lot!
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2587 posts since 19 Mar, 2008 from germany
Maybe clicking here can work? And yeah, at first youPaladin on a Horse wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:15 pm Note: This requires clicking the grey "play"-button.
I did but nothing happened.
should hear "rain" for 3 seconds ...
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Paladin on a Horse Paladin on a Horse https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=478325
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There was quite a gap before the rain clicked in and I probably can't hear rain very well at my age anyway!enroe wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:47 pmMaybe clicking here can work? And yeah, at first youPaladin on a Horse wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:15 pm Note: This requires clicking the grey "play"-button.
I did but nothing happened.
should hear "rain" for 3 seconds ...
Got there, listened, enjoyed it. Catchy little pop / rock song.
Just an old bloke who likes listening to a wide range of music. I also fart quite a lot!
- KVRAF
- 6325 posts since 18 Jul, 2008 from New York
This song does effectively capture the melancholy mood of rainy days. The melody, chords, and arrangement stays within a fairly narrow range for five minutes. I might have appreciated a little more variation although staying in one place does reinforce the idea of endless rain.
My only real criticism is that it is mastered too loud which can cause listener fatigue. If you were to release this to streaming services, the volume would be normalized and turned down by 5 dB. You might want to check your tracks here: https://www.loudnesspenalty.com/
Nice job overall!
My only real criticism is that it is mastered too loud which can cause listener fatigue. If you were to release this to streaming services, the volume would be normalized and turned down by 5 dB. You might want to check your tracks here: https://www.loudnesspenalty.com/
Nice job overall!
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ChameleonMusic ChameleonMusic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=430348
- KVRAF
- 1611 posts since 23 Nov, 2018 from Birmingham, UK
Enjoyed it - some catchy hooks in there and generally well produced.
Note: I get the repetitive nature fits the lyrics, but I do think a bit more textural variety would be good - especially in those verses.
It's seems overly compressed? - especially when the vocals come in each time? vocals seem 'flat' and 'squashed' slightly?
Note: I get the repetitive nature fits the lyrics, but I do think a bit more textural variety would be good - especially in those verses.
It's seems overly compressed? - especially when the vocals come in each time? vocals seem 'flat' and 'squashed' slightly?
Mark Taylor, Chameleon Music - Professional composition and sound design for all media since 1994.
https://www.chameleonmusic.co.uk/
https://www.chameleonmusic.co.uk/
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aaron aardvark aaron aardvark https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=248508
- KVRAF
- 2665 posts since 22 Jan, 2011 from near Los Angeles
enroe,
Thank you for the review! Now your song: hey, your music has distorted guitar also! . If the rain doesn't stop, we need to start building an ark. . Violins (or other orchestral string instruments) with rock music: popularized by the Beatles in the (wait for it) 60's! Rain sound effects have been used in popular music for ages. The Ronettes did it in 1964, probably not a first. OK, I think I'm done giving you a hard time. But that's OK, I like rain sound effects, distorted guitar, and rock music with strings. I like your song and I listened to it a few times. Nice audio quality, melodies and vocals. Good job!
Thank you for the review! Now your song: hey, your music has distorted guitar also! . If the rain doesn't stop, we need to start building an ark. . Violins (or other orchestral string instruments) with rock music: popularized by the Beatles in the (wait for it) 60's! Rain sound effects have been used in popular music for ages. The Ronettes did it in 1964, probably not a first. OK, I think I'm done giving you a hard time. But that's OK, I like rain sound effects, distorted guitar, and rock music with strings. I like your song and I listened to it a few times. Nice audio quality, melodies and vocals. Good job!
You can hear my original music at this link: https://www.soundclick.com/artist/defau ... dID=224436
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2587 posts since 19 Mar, 2008 from germany
Thank you for your accurate and passionate review! I will takeFrantz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:54 pm This song does effectively capture the melancholy mood of rainy days. The melody, chords, and arrangement stays within a fairly narrow range for five minutes. I might have appreciated a little more variation although staying in one place does reinforce the idea of endless rain.
this as an opportunity to think about some changes.
Ah yeah, I think we've succumbed to the flat sound of cell phones,
smartphones, and tablets. For these, loud is usually better! But
with regard to Hifi, headphones and maybe spotify - we will
weigh that again. Thanks for the hint!
free mp3s + info: andy-enroe.de songs + weird stuff: enroe.de
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ChameleonMusic ChameleonMusic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=430348
- KVRAF
- 1611 posts since 23 Nov, 2018 from Birmingham, UK
LOUD comes in many different guises and a 'good' loud mix is a VERY difficult thing to achieve!For these, loud is usually better
Suggestions (I've been doing this lately for a client):
COMPRESSION / LIMITING - yes, it needs to be applied liberally if the mix is gonna work on very small speakers, but... layer it on one slice at a time rather than all at once. Don't be afraid to subtly layer more than one compressor on the same track. (this way the mix will also work better on Hi Fi systems etc).
It's not so much about massive loudness as simple controlling the dynamic range reasonably strictly.
MIX FOR MONO COMPATIBILITY - Many phones / tablets etc systems are either mono, or the stereo speakers are so close together that they are basically mono in terms of perception.
This is as important for the sound on small speakers as dynamic taming... checking your mix in mono is critical to getting the mix to translate well.
FREQUENCY RESPONSE - a fundamental limitation of all small speaker systems ( as important as the poor dynamic range... their inability to reproduce the full frequency spectrum.
Most small speaker systems will cover the upper frequency spectrum quite well...often up to 18 kHz.
Big issue comes in the lower frequency range, where a large portion of the fundamental frequencies of most instruments exist.
The response of many cell phone speakers begins to drop off around 800 Hz, tablets extend the range to approximately 400 Hz, and laptops often sit somewhere around 200 Hz.
Adjust your monitoring: Set up an EQ on your master channel and set 3 different high pass filter points (200 Hz, 400 Hz & 800 Hz) at a 6 dB per octave slope. Store this as a preset so you can quickly switch between the settings.
Listen: Listen with the different filter settings and note what happens to each instrument, particularity low frequencies.
Take notes: what happens to the most affected instruments. Do they disappear entirely or just dip in perceived level?
Use commercial references: bring in a well-produced commercial record that relatively matches the production style of the song you are mixing. Test the different filter settings and notice how the commercial release responds.
It's complicated, but helps you achieve mixes that'll work on a wider variety of systems without being too loud and abrasive on the ear!
Mark Taylor, Chameleon Music - Professional composition and sound design for all media since 1994.
https://www.chameleonmusic.co.uk/
https://www.chameleonmusic.co.uk/
- KVRAF
- 2861 posts since 3 May, 2003 from Germany
Very catchy! And I really like the mix. Everything is so crisp and detailed. Great guitars.
Well done, guys
Well done, guys
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music has become meaningless...we just keep doing it
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music has become meaningless...we just keep doing it
- KVRAF
- 3198 posts since 28 Aug, 2012 from Melbourne, Australia
Enjoyed this. It has lots of good qualities to it with each instrument clear and well spread. A couple of times the guitars sounds a lot louder than the rest. Well done!
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ChameleonMusic ChameleonMusic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=430348
- KVRAF
- 1611 posts since 23 Nov, 2018 from Birmingham, UK
SORRY...in hindsight...got carried away in retired Music / Music Tech teacher mode!ChameleonMusic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:11 pmLOUD comes in many different guises and a 'good' loud mix is a VERY difficult thing to achieve!For these, loud is usually better
Suggestions (I've been doing this lately for a client):
COMPRESSION / LIMITING - yes, it needs to be applied liberally if the mix is gonna work on very small speakers, but... layer it on one slice at a time rather than all at once. Don't be afraid to subtly layer more than one compressor on the same track. (this way the mix will also work better on Hi Fi systems etc).
It's not so much about massive loudness as simple controlling the dynamic range reasonably strictly.
MIX FOR MONO COMPATIBILITY - Many phones / tablets etc systems are either mono, or the stereo speakers are so close together that they are basically mono in terms of perception.
This is as important for the sound on small speakers as dynamic taming... checking your mix in mono is critical to getting the mix to translate well.
FREQUENCY RESPONSE - a fundamental limitation of all small speaker systems ( as important as the poor dynamic range... their inability to reproduce the full frequency spectrum.
Most small speaker systems will cover the upper frequency spectrum quite well...often up to 18 kHz.
Big issue comes in the lower frequency range, where a large portion of the fundamental frequencies of most instruments exist.
The response of many cell phone speakers begins to drop off around 800 Hz, tablets extend the range to approximately 400 Hz, and laptops often sit somewhere around 200 Hz.
Adjust your monitoring: Set up an EQ on your master channel and set 3 different high pass filter points (200 Hz, 400 Hz & 800 Hz) at a 6 dB per octave slope. Store this as a preset so you can quickly switch between the settings.
Listen: Listen with the different filter settings and note what happens to each instrument, particularity low frequencies.
Take notes: what happens to the most affected instruments. Do they disappear entirely or just dip in perceived level?
Use commercial references: bring in a well-produced commercial record that relatively matches the production style of the song you are mixing. Test the different filter settings and notice how the commercial release responds.
It's complicated, but helps you achieve mixes that'll work on a wider variety of systems without being too loud and abrasive on the ear!
Mark Taylor, Chameleon Music - Professional composition and sound design for all media since 1994.
https://www.chameleonmusic.co.uk/
https://www.chameleonmusic.co.uk/
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2587 posts since 19 Mar, 2008 from germany
No problem. On the contrary, I am pleased that you are so strong here andChameleonMusic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:24 pm SORRY...in hindsight...got carried away in retired Music / Music Tech teacher mode!
that you give so much thought.
And you're right: I or we balance with every mix and master as if on the blade.
You keep asking yourself: is the instrument too loud, too dominant, is the
overall feeling still right? I think every serious musician knows this fight well
enough.
Especially with regard to the volume, there is a constant back and forth -
in this respect your comments and tips are very helpful and will be taken
into account - in whatever form.
free mp3s + info: andy-enroe.de songs + weird stuff: enroe.de
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2587 posts since 19 Mar, 2008 from germany
Thank you!ChameleonMusic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:23 am Enjoyed it - some catchy hooks in there and generally well produced.
Ooops, you really did listen very carefully! Yes, thereChameleonMusic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:23 am Note: I get the repetitive nature fits the lyrics, but I do think a bit more textural variety would be good - especially in those verses.
are textural iterations, indeed, we'll take care of the lyrics
in more detail.
Ah, mmh, yeah, well we'll have a look at the vocals again.ChameleonMusic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:23 am It's seems overly compressed? - especially when the vocals come in each time? vocals seem 'flat' and 'squashed' slightly?
free mp3s + info: andy-enroe.de songs + weird stuff: enroe.de
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2587 posts since 19 Mar, 2008 from germany
Thank you "aaron"!aaron aardvark wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:09 am enroe,
Thank you for the review! Now your song: hey, your music has distorted guitar also! . If the rain doesn't stop, we need to start building an ark. . Violins (or other orchestral string instruments) with rock music: popularized by the Beatles in the (wait for it) 60's! Rain sound effects have been used in popular music for ages. The Ronettes did it in 1964, probably not a first. OK, I think I'm done giving you a hard time. But that's OK, I like rain sound effects, distorted guitar, and rock music with strings. I like your song and I listened to it a few times. Nice audio quality, melodies and vocals. Good job!
Yeah, about the rain: We're not actually thinking of other musicians
who have made it a topic at some point. I am thinking of the
rain itself - as a weather event on the one hand - and as a
metaphor for a melancholy phase on the other hand.
The instrument on the left in the Break is a cello, a kind of
"giant violin".
Actually, I don't find the instrumentation itself that important.
For me it is more important to express a certain kind of power,
life and emotion. And I - or we - can do this best with guitars,
piano and some classical instruments, here with a cello.
Thank you for listening and for your thoughts, they're very
appreciated!
free mp3s + info: andy-enroe.de songs + weird stuff: enroe.de