Vital - Released

[sqigls]

leave your channel fader at unity and use the plugin master gain to fit it in the mix.
you know, unlike every god damn synth preset maker ever.

[BenfordLaw]

The only thing that sounds week is your post.
Vital sound quality is better than that from Hive and Zebra. It has a clear sound that can be modelled via the filters, morph modes and effects. 10 minutes ago I made a ladder square/saw string sound with Vital which sounds soft, clear and full. It's not that awfull washer sound like from this Hive or Zebra and I have both to compare, so I hear what I am writing. I also tested the sound when Vital is in the mix with other vsti and especially there Vital sounds better.
Hive and Zebra have very good filters, but in the mix they sound not that good because you don't hear that.

Can we hear this amazing 'soft, clear and full' string sound?
Has anybody got any videos of anything that sounds impressive from Vital? I haven't heard a single preset yet that makes it worth bothering with.

[zvenx]

No one synth is for everyone.
It just probably is not for you.
I don't think anyone needs to convince you otherwise.
Do you?
rsp

[Whywhy]

Hi Whywhy,

gain staging is really important in Vital

can you further elaborate on how to do that.

Like a lot of synths, Va or analog, the filter sound is dependent of its input.
I noticed the ladder filter and the filter drive gives excellent results if you send the oscillator signal at a low level like 0.152 for example ( 11 o clock)
The drive color is also different if you use analog, dirty,ladder,diode...

[k2006]

O.k.thanks

[MorpherX]

@MorpherX:
You need to find the sweet spot for the 2 filters, gain staging is really important in Vital. I find the filter really great.
Same for the envelopes, tweak them, use their curves and it sounds awesome.
About wavetable, you can export the wavetable in Wav format.
About lfo's, you can find a great selection of trigger options: trig, sync, one shot, 2 loop mode, and note off.
About envelopes gate input, Matt is interested to implement some new features, let's wait and see.
Perhaps, you should spend more time with the synth before trashing an awesome and free product.
My 2 cents.

In my first short test I have not tested all the filter modes and how they sound at different frenquencies and especially compared to Hive or Zebra. When I have done this I recognized big differences in the clearness of the filters U-He have in high frequences. Vital fitlers are not that bad but compared the U-He filters they sound bit of plastic and metallic. Test it yourself if have an U-He synth with for example the comp-filters. Adjust cutoff and resonances then you will hear the differences.
I am of course not against Vital (therefore I posted my first impression very positive) but the first look is not always correct.
It's of course also a matter of taste how filter should sound.

[MorpherX]

The only thing that sounds week is your post.
Vital sound quality is better than that from Hive and Zebra. It has a clear sound that can be modelled via the filters, morph modes and effects. 10 minutes ago I made a ladder square/saw string sound with Vital which sounds soft, clear and full. It's not that awfull washer sound like from this Hive or Zebra and I have both to compare, so I hear what I am writing. I also tested the sound when Vital is in the mix with other vsti and especially there Vital sounds better.
Hive and Zebra have very good filters, but in the mix they sound not that good because you don't hear that.

Can we hear this amazing 'soft, clear and full' string sound?
Has anybody got any videos of anything that sounds impressive from Vital? I haven't heard a single preset yet that makes it worth bothering with.

I have made some "soft synth sounds" with Vital. They sound quiet nice but if I compared them with my "soft synth Sounds" I made and have with Hive and Zebra I heard the big difference in quality with thickness and decided not puplic that Vital sounds. It would be disappointing for everyone who has high quality softsynths.

[MorpherX]

After some more tests with this VSTi I come to conclusion that Vital has a clear but thin sound and the fiters are rather worse, because they always have a plastic and metallic character.
Also there are problems with very short attack and release times in the amp envelopes with pops and cracles.
In addition to this there exist no single trigger mode for envelopes and LFOs. In my view this is a lack of a basic a feature.
There also don't exist an option to switch off all this animations.In my view this is too much animations. This a virtual music instrument not game.

Last the TTWT is overrated in my view, because it's difficult to create musical usefull words and sentences and you have to be online for this feature. All I have heard up to now is shitty.

I agree it can sound a bit thin in some scenarios, but it sounds good regardless. Also, I strongly disagree about the animations being too much. I didn't come from the generation of patch cables and oldschool hardware synths, so for me its awesome to be able to visually confirm what you believe you are hearing, and how the synth is behaving. I love that about Vital, and I think its something that sets it apart from a lot of other synths.

Also yeah, you said in your view TTWT is over-rated, but personally I've already managed to make some awesome, musical phrases and sounds with it. Its just another tool you can use to be creative.

Even though you CAN make the synth sing, TTWT can also just be used to generate unique wavetables that you can make cool sounds with, sounds that dont sound like actual words at all. Just cool sounds. So rather than try and make sentences and words, you could try and make a pad, or a lead from it. Thats the fun of being creative, sometimes it doesnt work, but sometimes you discover something super cool

You are right, in my view, when it goes to make some singing synth sounds with TTWT.
I think that TTWT is also a good idea, but it's difficult to get good musical usable results. Maybe it's also a question of experiences with this tool. The best would be if there were some example presets in the factory lib, where users could hear and see what can be done with TTWT.
And not to forget, you always have to be online if you want to make TTWT wavetables.

[SLiC]

Has anybody got any videos of anything that sounds impressive from Vital? I haven't heard a single preset yet that makes it worth bothering with.

Then don't bother.

[pdxindy]

@MorpherX:
You need to find the sweet spot for the 2 filters, gain staging is really important in Vital. I find the filter really great.
Same for the envelopes, tweak them, use their curves and it sounds awesome.
About wavetable, you can export the wavetable in Wav format.
About lfo's, you can find a great selection of trigger options: trig, sync, one shot, 2 loop mode, and note off.
About envelopes gate input, Matt is interested to implement some new features, let's wait and see.
Perhaps, you should spend more time with the synth before trashing an awesome and free product.
My 2 cents.

In my first short test I have not tested all the filter modes and how they sound at different frenquencies and especially compared to Hive or Zebra. When I have done this I recognized big differences in the clearness of the filters U-He have in high frequences. Vital fitlers are not that bad but compared the U-He filters they sound bit of plastic and metallic. Test it yourself if have an U-He synth with for example the comp-filters. Adjust cutoff and resonances then you will hear the differences.
I am of course not against Vital (therefore I posted my first impression very positive) but the first look is not always correct.
It's of course also a matter of taste how filter should sound.

I haven't dug into the filters much. At least half the sounds I have made don't even use a filter. In my quick explorations of the filters, I found them okay. It is cool most of them morph between lp/bp/hp. So far the filters are not the highlight of the synth for me... more utilitarian shaper than a beautiful sound creator. With such flexible wavetable osc's that is acceptable for me.

[Teksonik]

Vital sound quality is better than that from Hive and Zebra. It has a clear sound that can be modelled via the filters, morph modes and effects. 10 minutes ago I made a ladder square/saw string sound with Vital which sounds soft, clear and full. It's not that awfull washer sound like from this Hive or Zebra and I have both to compare, so I hear what I am writing. I also tested the sound when Vital is in the mix with other vsti and especially there Vital sounds better.
Hive and Zebra have very good filters, but in the mix they sound not that good because you don't hear that.

After some more tests with this VSTi I come to conclusion that Vital has a clear but thin sound and the fiters are rather worse, because they always have a plastic and metallic character.

Finally I don't use this VSTi in a music project, because of the bad sound quality, but it's a good start for a v.1.0 release. So hopefully the quality of oscillators and filters will be improved.
Therefore very good VSTis have a higher price, because the devs like from U-He have invested in sound-quality.

I've never seen someone argue against themself so effectively going from "sound quality is better" to "bad sound quality".

Just goes to show how worthless other people's opinions can be.

[Teksonik]

The In the Mix guy released a tutorial for people new to Vital:

[vurt]

Vital sound quality is better than that from Hive and Zebra. It has a clear sound that can be modelled via the filters, morph modes and effects. 10 minutes ago I made a ladder square/saw string sound with Vital which sounds soft, clear and full. It's not that awfull washer sound like from this Hive or Zebra and I have both to compare, so I hear what I am writing. I also tested the sound when Vital is in the mix with other vsti and especially there Vital sounds better.
Hive and Zebra have very good filters, but in the mix they sound not that good because you don't hear that.

After some more tests with this VSTi I come to conclusion that Vital has a clear but thin sound and the fiters are rather worse, because they always have a plastic and metallic character.

Finally I don't use this VSTi in a music project, because of the bad sound quality, but it's a good start for a v.1.0 release. So hopefully the quality of oscillators and filters will be improved.
Therefore very good VSTis have a higher price, because the devs like from U-He have invested in sound-quality.

I've never seen someone argue against themself so effectively going from "sound quality is better" to "bad sound quality".

Just goes to show how worthless other people's opinions can be.

or

your own

in this case

[MorpherX]

Vital sound quality is better than that from Hive and Zebra. It has a clear sound that can be modelled via the filters, morph modes and effects. 10 minutes ago I made a ladder square/saw string sound with Vital which sounds soft, clear and full. It's not that awfull washer sound like from this Hive or Zebra and I have both to compare, so I hear what I am writing. I also tested the sound when Vital is in the mix with other vsti and especially there Vital sounds better.
Hive and Zebra have very good filters, but in the mix they sound not that good because you don't hear that.

After some more tests with this VSTi I come to conclusion that Vital has a clear but thin sound and the fiters are rather worse, because they always have a plastic and metallic character.

Finally I don't use this VSTi in a music project, because of the bad sound quality, but it's a good start for a v.1.0 release. So hopefully the quality of oscillators and filters will be improved.
Therefore very good VSTis have a higher price, because the devs like from U-He have invested in sound-quality.

I've never seen someone argue against themself so effectively going from "sound quality is better" to "bad sound quality".

Just goes to show how worthless other people's opinions can be.

That an example of how one can learn that a first look to a synth is not always correct. When you first play around, Vital sounds not that bad and some atmos presets sound really good.
But if you then tweak yourself the filters and test the different filters you can come to an other conclusion, especially compared to other synths. And my first post about Vital was the first impressions.
Opinions from others should always be proofed with testing yourself if it's right. You should never belive them as they are subjective.
Some people here wrote that they find this filters great. That's also O.K. because it's their taste.
Everything user are posting here on KVR forum is subjective.

[Mik_lo]

So do hive and zebra still have that awful washer sound?