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move3rd · Post by **move3rd** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:10 pm

lanark wrote:I dissent with all that romantic advices as "be truth" and "show your feelings".
That won't make you a better composer. Never. Music don't come from the ether, music is the result of hard work.

No-one said you are automaticaly a great composer if you can express emotion. You are correct in that you will not master anthing without putting in the work but time and effort alone will not make a great composer.

12 hours a day for 50 years making noise wouldnt necessarily make a great composer.

Shane Sanders · Post by **Shane Sanders** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:15 pm

move3rd wrote:
lanark wrote:I dissent with all that romantic advices as "be truth" and "show your feelings".
That won't make you a better composer. Never. Music don't come from the ether, music is the result of hard work.
No-one said you are automaticaly a great composer if you can express emotion. You are correct in that you will not master anthing without putting in the work but time and effort alone will not make a great composer.

12 hours a day for 50 years making noise wouldnt necessarily make a great composer.

Maybe it would be a valuable compromise to think of the "truth" and "emotion" of the process as the fuel for the getting the work done. That sort of rings true for me, as I often sit there feeling bummed out that I don't "feel" like working on music, but when I finally force myself to play something I get a rush to move ahead.

Orbitutle · Post by **Orbitutle** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:17 pm

When Im out of ideas I try to compose some music in a genre that I wouldn't normaly compose... I will listen to a track from a gerne that I don't know anything about, and then start to immitate it.. It's often harder then you think, and after some time you'll have lerned a lot of new things, and have a lot of new ideas... Works for me...
Otherwise just find som part you like: drums/string etc. and jam your keybord all you can to It untill you have a melody..

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:23 pm

lanark wrote:I dissent with all that romantic advices as "be truth" and "show your feelings".
That won't make you a better composer. Never. Music don't come from the ether, music is the result of hard work.

So, that's my only advice: WORK

Stop dissing my work.

Kraku · Post by **Kraku** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:32 pm

About song structure and keeping the audience listening:

1) When song moves to another part, always change two or three tracks at the same time to different ones, but usually not more than that, so the different parts still fit together in the song. If you change only one element in the song at a time, it sounds a bit dull and is good for only bringing very small variation to the song (audience doesn't notice it that well).

An example of this:

You have a song with seven tracks and you want to have a nice impact when the song really kicks in. It's quite easy if you replace two carefully selected tracks with new ones for this main part of the song and maybe add one extra track also (might just be some extra drum thingy or an arpeggio or so).

Or when going to a quieter part of the song, drop two main tracks and replace them with one gentle sounding instrument. (see the number two there?)

2) Never let the song run over 10 seconds without making at least some small/extra variation to the song/sounds that is easily noticable (drum fill, a synth pad comes and goes, etc.)

lanark · Post by **lanark** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:33 pm

stefancrs wrote:Stop dissing my work.

what??
I don't understand, sorry

ouroboros · Post by **ouroboros** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:52 pm

Mungo wrote:About song structure and keeping the audience listening:

1) When song moves to another part, always change two or three tracks at the same time to different ones, but usually not more than that, so the different parts still fit together in the song. If you change only one element in the song at a time, it sounds a bit dull and is good for only bringing very small variation to the song (audience doesn't notice it that well).

hmmmm. this is quite helpful right now, in working on this month's comp., I tried to keep the same instruments and it is not emphatic enough. Changed 'em up and sounds better, but I think I am to fearful, once I have a good sound to add or take from it! Thanks for the tip

Hewitt Huntwork · Post by **Hewitt Huntwork** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:09 pm

visa tapani wrote:Admist all these "be true to your heart, don't copy..." cliches ...

I suspected you were being sarcastic!

My apologies to anyone who failed to see how my little contribution to this thread addressed beginning, finishing, rewriting, and ego.

Here's my new contribution: Don't be too subtle, or some people might mistake what you're saying for nonsense!

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:20 pm

lanark wrote:
stefancrs wrote:Stop dissing my work.
what??
I don't understand, sorry

I never put lots of effort into my music

I still think it rocks though.

lanark · Post by **lanark** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:31 pm

stefancrs wrote:
lanark wrote:
stefancrs wrote:Stop dissing my work.
what??
I don't understand, sorry
I never put lots of effort into my music I still think it rocks though.

well, if you put some more effort on it, may be it rocks even more!

cheers!

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:44 pm

lanark wrote:
stefancrs wrote:
lanark wrote:
stefancrs wrote:Stop dissing my work.
what??
I don't understand, sorry
I never put lots of effort into my music I still think it rocks though.
well, if you put some more effort on it, may be it rocks even more!

cheers!

Actually, I don't think so. I think music is better the more the artists enjoy doing it, and I enjoy it most this way.

lanark · Post by **lanark** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:50 pm

stefancrs wrote:music is better the more the artists enjoy doing it

that is nonsense, explain me how enjoinment do the music better, please.

if you have an answer, that may be the greatest invention of the whole civilization history

cheers!!

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:05 pm

lanark wrote:
stefancrs wrote:music is better the more the artists enjoy doing it
that is nonsense, explain me how enjoinment do the music better, please.
if you have an answer, that may be the greatest invention of the whole civilization history

cheers!!

simple, mang.. all experience is subjective

i concur, realisation of simple truths would be the greatest occurence in the history of civilisation.

if you do not think music comes from the ether, then you have never experimented with ether!

lanark · Post by **lanark** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:11 pm

xoxos wrote:if you do not think music comes from the ether, then you have never experimented with ether!

great idea!! I'll try it

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:13 pm

lanark - listen to the music in this thread..

to a citizen of the civilised world, it is fascinating because it emphasises what is already there that they have been desensitised to.

anyne who takes drugs has the opportunity to gain insight on the matter of perspective. in industrial culture, life is routine.. the medium becomes the message.

this sort of ultra-sensitivity is matter of fact to anyone who learns to focus their perception.

http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=

the Wisdom of Composition thread