One Synth Challenge #142: Vital by Matt Tytel (Jasinski Wins!)

[ELEX]

By the way, a question about the case: have you researched the maximum length of text that can be translated into wavetable? I don't know English, but I'm drawn to lyrics...

There may not be a limit, but there probably is a limit to the number of frames in the generated wavetable. In which case: the longer the sentence, the more grainy the result will be. I compared a table containing a sentence to one containing just two words and the latter was smoother when slowly scanning thru it. It not that easy getting from a spoken sentence to actually sung lyrics, though. That will take some serious fiddling with an LFO. Don't forget to switch to one voice/legato if you don't want those to retrigger. Large pitch chances also didn't sound too good. But...early days yet. For me at least.

Looking forward to your track already.

On the CPU front: With the GUI open, it seems that usage drops a bit when the effects or matrix page are visible.

[Spring Goose]

I did try Ubuntu many moons ago (15 year ago approx) but i couldn't get anything to work.

Things have changed quite a bit in all those years.

I had entries to both Pendulate and Monique. Cheers for advice pal!! :D

Good luck with your Monique entry.

Cheers.

I have got Helm working now with Cakewalk and Mesa3d, but tbh i'm having a bit of a 'mare with Cakewalk so i doubt i'll be entering this month but i'll try keep at Cakewalk see what happens.

[L-EctroBit]

Cheers.

I have got Helm working now with Cakewalk and Mesa3d, but tbh i'm having a bit of a 'mare with Cakewalk so i doubt i'll be entering this month but i'll try keep at Cakewalk see what happens.

Wow . You made it Spring Goose. What a great news. Cakewalk is an excellent DAW. In Youtube there are a lot of tutorials. I know you use Bitwig, but having a second DAW is never a bad idea for cases like this.

I have been in contact with Brian and Richard in the last few days and they are looking for a solution to the opengl problem so that those affected can participate. I've asked them to let us participate with Helm. I'm waiting for an answer, but in the meantime I have a couple of days making new presets with Helm anyway.

Cheers.

[Spring Goose]

Cheers.

I have got Helm working now with Cakewalk and Mesa3d, but tbh i'm having a bit of a 'mare with Cakewalk so i doubt i'll be entering this month but i'll try keep at Cakewalk see what happens.

Wow . You made it Spring Goose. What a great news. Cakewalk is an excellent DAW. In Youtube there are a lot of tutorials. I know you use Bitwig, but having a second DAW is never a bad idea for cases like this.

I have been in contact with Brian and Richard in the last few days and they are looking for a solution to the opengl problem so that those affected can participate. I've asked them to let us participate with Helm. I'm waiting for an answer, but in the meantime I have a couple of days making new presets with Helm anyway.

Cheers.

Cheers mate. I think i've got Cakewalk now. First my keyboard wasn't working but i've got it working now. Then i couldn't record but now i can record. (you know what it's like with a new DAW). I'll see what i come up with then decide whether to enter or not. I don't want to enter an embarrassment! I'm expecting some really spectacular songs this month. Cheers for getting in touch with Brian and Richard.

[doctorbob]

@ELEX ... I thought that doing a song might be best with one word per track per Vital instance. You can then get rhythms and inflexions etc done maybe more easily. Obviously you can use the track with "the" on it multiple times in the score, and automat params to make it fit the place in the lyric.

Gong to be a hard fought challenge I think, and also have Xmas etc getting in the way (already).

dB

[ELEX]

@doctorbob
That was exactly the conclusion I just reached after having a closer look. Sentences are way too grainy. Timing is a nightmare. In REAPER you don't necessarily need multiple tracks, btw, item FX may the way to go here. An FX/preset per item per word in this case. Will have to look closer again. Bit afraid though that I'm going run into a memory-shortage, as Vital uses quite a lot, and I've only got a measly 6Gb. Already switched to -save minimal undo states- . You're going to turn it into a skat machine ?

[doctorbob]

Items could be/are the way to go. I was indeed thinking scat! Need to lay down a backing though to scat against

Might just be easier for me to have separate tracks, esp if I want to double up and harmonise multiple voices. All depends!

Sadly, already done a barbershop quartet with BR808!

dB

[Hanz Meyzer]

Hi, how do I draw the harmonics of a waveform in the wavetable editor?

[] Peter:H []

Hi all,

nice choice - Vital is a beast.
Though I'm not sure whether I can spare the time to do a track this month, let me still ask a question. As this is a wavetable thingy and this technology was always a bit peculiar when it comes to creative use (some called it sampling , are there any restrictions on using wavetables? Can I use all factory WT of Vital? Can I import wavetables from let's say Icarus? Are we allowed to use the text to speech capabilities in Vital?

Cheers
] Peter:H [

[ELEX]

@doctorbob: Scat would be awesome ! Would love to hear that. Louis & Ella ITB

@ Hanz Meyzer: Just draw with mouse in the row beneath the waveform. The bottom row represents the phase of the partial. Sometimes these rows appear greyed out. I've no clue whatsoever yet as to why, but initializing the wavetable always helped, thus far. If anyone has figured that out, please be so kind to share. Edit: scratch last last question. Apparently it's possible to select no frame in the frame display, in that case everything is grey.

@] Peter:H [ : The text-to-wavetable function is definitely allowed. All factory wavetables are allowed AFAIK, but I think Exponent mentioned a two-frame maximum for imported wavetables. But lots of opportunities to make one's own in the ( quite extensive ) built-in table editor.

[photonic]

Hi all,

Great choice of synth! I definitely want to make a track this month.
Vital catched my attention with the possibility of doing physical modelling with the comb filter. I was able do create some nice sounds. So far so good. But when I tried to use them in context with other instruments, I allways notice clear audible tuning problems. I can tune one certain note to fit other instruments, but not all. There seems to be an inconsistency in the tuning of all sounds I made with the comb filter.
For example find my Piano here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4odlhonl27rxf ... vital?dl=0

Anyone else noticed that problem too?
Any workaround?

[IV!]

Hi all,

Great choice of synth! I definitely want to make a track this month.
Vital catched my attention with the possibility of doing physical modelling with the comb filter. I was able do create some nice sounds. So far so good. But when I tried to use them in context with other instruments, I allways notice clear audible tuning problems. I can tune one certain note to fit other instruments, but not all. There seems to be an inconsistency in the tuning of all sounds I made with the comb filter.
For example find my Piano here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4odlhonl27rxf ... vital?dl=0

Anyone else noticed that problem too?
Any workaround?

I just tried your piano Sounds cool! I compared it to another VST-Piano, slight discrepancies in my hearing start from C5 and higher, the bottom sounds accurate. This is already a wide range! I thought that this discrepancy is an integral part of the PM with the comb filter... In Surge, I was able to set up a maximum of 2.5-3 octaves of the correct range. I'm definitely going to do PM in Vital, so I'll let you know if I find something useful!

[IV!]

By the way, a question about the case: have you researched the maximum length of text that can be translated into wavetable? I don't know English, but I'm drawn to lyrics...

There may not be a limit, but there probably is a limit to the number of frames in the generated wavetable. In which case: the longer the sentence, the more grainy the result will be. I compared a table containing a sentence to one containing just two words and the latter was smoother when slowly scanning thru it. It not that easy getting from a spoken sentence to actually sung lyrics, though. That will take some serious fiddling with an LFO. Don't forget to switch to one voice/legato if you don't want those to retrigger. Large pitch chances also didn't sound too good. But...early days yet. For me at least.

Looking forward to your track already.

On the CPU front: With the GUI open, it seems that usage drops a bit when the effects or matrix page are visible.

Thank you, this is valuable information! Limit on the number of frames in the table... So, if you enter a whole text so that each word will correspond to one frame ...
No kidding, five tables a day, few days, many words... I shouldn't waste my time!
It sounds logical about the CPU. I think the more animation on the screen and the more complex it is, the more resources are required for processing. After the interface is closed, the fastest result is shown the preset browser)

[jasinski]

Hi all,

Great choice of synth! I definitely want to make a track this month.
Vital catched my attention with the possibility of doing physical modelling with the comb filter. I was able do create some nice sounds. So far so good. But when I tried to use them in context with other instruments, I allways notice clear audible tuning problems. I can tune one certain note to fit other instruments, but not all. There seems to be an inconsistency in the tuning of all sounds I made with the comb filter.
For example find my Piano here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4odlhonl27rxf ... vital?dl=0

Anyone else noticed that problem too?
Any workaround?

Awesome piano preset Photonic, mind if I use it?

[photonic]

Thank you!
No problem, it is free for everyone.