Arturia V Collection 8 official thread

[abducted]

Exactly ! And I don't want to mess around with two instances, it's much more practical with just one plugin. This is how a jupiter 8 is supposed to work ! Arturia, please give us a synth that has at least the same features as the one it's emulating. Is it too much to ask for ?

[minkray]

send angry support tickets, raise some hell. about dual mode and a converter.

doing it here works even less..

[rezoneight]

An appropriate quote from A Charlie Brown Christmas where KVR is Charlie Brown:

"Charlie Brown, you're the only person I know who can take a wonderful season like Christmas and turn it into a problem. Maybe Lucy's right. Of all the Charlie Browns in the world, you're the Charlie Browniest."

[rezoneight]

Just to note the Roland ACB version doesnt have split or dual either. where are the pitchforks and torches for that one?

[sacer]

If they bring back dual mode, than they could also add the old FX Section on top to the new ones, so that a converter could convert V3 presets and banks to V4.
It is a realy bad decission to kick out the Split and Dual Mode - would be nice if they rework this version.

[minkray]

weak. even KVR can't make 2020 browniest than it was.

it's like one of those days when you struggle to drop a deuce, only to turn around and discover they came out darker than your soul.

[aMUSEd]

If they bring back dual mode, than they could also add the old FX Section on top to the new ones, so that a converter could convert V3 presets and banks to V4.
It is a realy bad decission to kick out the Split and Dual Mode - would be nice if they rework this version.

Surely this can be achieved using Analog Lab though?

[sacer]

If they bring back dual mode, than they could also add the old FX Section on top to the new ones, so that a converter could convert V3 presets and banks to V4.
It is a realy bad decission to kick out the Split and Dual Mode - would be nice if they rework this version.

Surely this can be achieved using Analog Lab though?

Yes i know, i can also mix the jupiter with something else and edd some FX from Analog Lab V, but I want backward compatibility to my old presets, and therefor they need to add this feature again in Jup-8 V4, so that a converter could rebuild the presets

[neverbeeninariot]

For backwards compatibility, V3 will install alongside V4...

[AcrossTheSky]

I own v6, fx collection, pigments 2 and a mk2 keylab and my upgrade price is 300e, which i think is a bit much. I expected 150 tbh with the price beeing at max between 100 and 200. Gonna wait and see.

Yep. Feels a bit wrong that loyal customers pay WAY more in the long run than someone buying full v8 today. $300 upgrade price definitely turned me away!

Same here. I upgraded several times for 200 euro but 300 euro for an upgrade while new customers pay 500 for the whole collection is way out of proportion.

I'm not used to Arturia pulling stuff like that to loyal users.

Is upgrade price of software influenced by having registered a hardware synth/keyboard/... of any kind ??? THX

[aMUSEd]

As I see Arturia people are here (which is great) I thought it a good time to ask about NKS support.

Its fantastic that many of the instruments have NKS support. I noticed that with the FX collection that this is supposed to be coming. I also notice that the new instruments don't support NKS at this time.

Are we going to see NKS for these in the end or is this a change in direction. I don't need an exact date and I'll still love your products and buy them if they don't support NKS (which would be sad) but I'd like to know one way or the other.

I've been digging around in the installation files and it looks like a lot of the groundwork for NKS integration (eg some of the new instruments already have 'dummy' nksf files, database integration files etc) is there already so it looks as if it will be like it was when 7 came out and sometime after the first release. After all NKS integration is a lot of work and I guess, as before, it just wasn't quite ready for the release date that was scheduled (and maybe they also want to iron out any unanticipated bugs with the first release versions as well - releasing this many instruments at once is a huge undertaking in itself).

I hope I'm not wrong - these days NKS integration is becoming more of a selling point for many users including myself, so it would be unfortunate if it was dropped (although I am certain those of us in the community would step up to make sure we were covered) - I really can't see that happening though despite the headaches I know are involved for developers.

I do wish though they would release NKS versions of the add-on banks, or even better, provide an export to .nksf function like u-he and Brainworks do.

[Arashi]

As I see Arturia people are here (which is great) I thought it a good time to ask about NKS support.

Its fantastic that many of the instruments have NKS support. I noticed that with the FX collection that this is supposed to be coming. I also notice that the new instruments don't support NKS at this time.

Are we going to see NKS for these in the end or is this a change in direction. I don't need an exact date and I'll still love your products and buy them if they don't support NKS (which would be sad) but I'd like to know one way or the other.

NKS support is definitely coming for the new instruments. They usually don't have NKS support done on launch day. I'm guessing the presets aren't finalized until a few days before the release, which doesn't leave enough time to convert them to NKS (largely a manual process). NI needs to make tools for this. As far as I know, when you sign up to become an "NKS Partner" all you get is a bunch of documentation.

Don't know what their plans are for adding NKS support to the effects. They don't seem to consider it a priority.

[Arashi]

Just to note the Roland ACB version doesnt have split or dual either. where are the pitchforks and torches for that one?

The System-8 does, but I don't know why split and dual are considered so important anyway. These are performance features that belong in stage/workstation keyboards like the RD-2000, Jupiter-X, or Fantom, or (if you want to use a computer) Mainstage. For stacking, it's trivial to just record-enable multiple tracks in any DAW, which lets you use any instrument or plugin you want.

[rezoneight]

Just to note the Roland ACB version doesnt have split or dual either. where are the pitchforks and torches for that one?

The System-8 does, but I don't know why split and dual are considered so important anyway. These are performance features that belong in stage/workstation keyboards like the RD-2000, Jupiter-X, or Fantom, or (if you want to use a computer) Mainstage. For stacking, it's trivial to just record-enable multiple tracks in any DAW, which lets you use any instrument or plugin you want.

Sorry was referring to the JP-8 RC plugin. I think the person who brought it up said it was essential to the sound so by not having it you might as well toss out the emulation. Seems a bit much to me unless there is more to dual mode than giving you two different patches per key (at 4-voice polyphony each). Seems that could easily be done ITB. Should they have taken it away? Not sure why they would if it was there before but that doesn't seem like an essential feature to me. Split mode? Please.

[Arashi]

Sorry was referring to the JP-8 RC plugin. I think the person who brought it up said it was essential to the sound so by not having it you might as well toss out the emulation. Seems a bit much to me unless there is more to dual mode than giving you two different patches per key (at 4-voice polyphony each). Seems that could easily be done ITB. Should they have taken it away? Not sure why they would if it was there before but that doesn't seem like an essential feature to me. Split mode? Please.

I don't think they took it away. Jup-8 V4 is a brand new plugin, rewritten from scratch. They just chose not to implement it this time. Probably because (almost) no one actually uses it. As I described, there are much better ways to make stacks and splits for performances.