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zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:02 am

EvilDragon wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:47 pm ....

I was missing "VCO" when I said I haven't played an analog that behaves like J-8.

Fair enough.
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Dencheg · Post by **Dencheg** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:04 am

I think I'm gonna buy the J-8.
I only wish Patrick supported raster mousescroll in his products UI

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zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:05 am

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:54 pm K, glad we're all on the same page. I hate when mom and dad fight!

lol
It's all good.
I haven't played a real analog synth (apart from my DCO poly 800 which i turned on for the first time a few months ago after years) in yearssss, and when I did, I had never done the are they 'beating' test, but indeed it would make sense that adds to their fatness...

Just that I know Patrick took a lot of time modeling the Jupiter 8. But indeed if it is just a bug, that would explain everything.

(edit: Actually I did forget I have dabbled with analog synths in Guitar Center over the years)
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EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:09 am

That said, I have an MKS-70 over here that's a DCO analog and they made it so that it's impossible to tune the two oscillators to locked phases too... Not even all DCOs are made equal.

e-crooner · Post by **e-crooner** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:11 am

Maybe it is my hearing, but I also hear some sort of high-pitched trill sub-tone, particularly on higher notes. It has nothing to do with the detune issue because I can also hear it when listening to 100% of one oscillator.
I suppose one could see some sort of ripples on an analyzer plugin, which I don't have, though.

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:15 am

When setting number of voices to 4 , and both panel modes to solo , I can still play chords
Shouldn't the number of voices atomatically be restricted to 1 (even when you set them to more voices )

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:16 am

yeah there is an issue with solo (that wcruz brought up) that he is looking at.
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himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:09 am

EvilDragon wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 1:24 pm So this is literally impossible to make happen on a real VCO analog while having osc 1 and osc 2 same volume and you just tweak osc 2 finetune knob. LITERALLY impossible:

That's not quite true. As an example my hardware Roland SH-2 (the real vintage one not the new emulation) does not exhibit any phase movement when the two VCOs are perfectly tuned. They stay solid, without any phase motion. To get this sound is difficult, very difficult since it is so tough to set the tune knob to a position where the two VCOs are bang in the 'centre' as it were, but it can be done, and I just did it to compare to J-8.

EvilDragon wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 1:24 pm Yeah it doesn't seem to freerun. It doesn't even seem to start the voices with random osc phases, which would help at least to some extent...

And my vintage SH-2 when perfectly tuned also does not start with random oscillator phases.

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:10 am

The oscillators in J-8 are free running. At least in my version, ha!

JonSolo · Post by **JonSolo** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:31 am

EvilDragon wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:09 am That said, I have an MKS-70 over here that's a DCO analog and they made it so that it's impossible to tune the two oscillators to locked phases too... Not even all DCOs are made equal.

This.

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:38 am

Having said that, in the polyphonic mode, we should hear phase differences between each note played (on the same key, single VCO) as it catches a different phase setting on each consecutive voice. This doesn't happen in J-8, so the question could be asked, does the hardware Jupiter-8 used as the basis for the emulation behaves in the same way?

Personally I'm not fussed. This J-8 sounds great and is fun to use. Real fun to use. I'm used to complex synths with modulations galore, but here it's just about the basics, just the 'analogue' tone without having to think how to patch this to that to get a nice result.

revvy · Post by **revvy** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:46 am

AnX wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:14 pm
revvy wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:49 pm I sold my SH -101

Yea, was sad but couldn't maintain it. Got a good price and the bloke who bought it immediately serviced it so it went to a good home.

menthol · Post by **menthol** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:22 am

EvilDragon wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:09 am That said, I have an MKS-70 over here that's a DCO analog and they made it so that it's impossible to tune the two oscillators to locked phases too... Not even all DCOs are made equal.

Speaking of which, are there any good MKS-70 emulations out there in the plugin world?

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:33 am

I want the jup 8 in Talmod.
I can get talmod’s filter in the same ballpark but not quit there , minor subleties in the resonance

waltercruz · Post by **waltercruz** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:46 am

e-crooner wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:23 pm
The first one sounds better to me, the voices seem to begin one after another.

well, there's a delay engaged on the Roland Cloud example...

Tal J-8