Tal J-8

[waltercruz]

@waltercruz, there is now a 1.1.4. Although I don't see it listed in the fix list, I think the legato issue is now fixed.
Thanks for pointing it out.

rsp

lego on solo modo doesn't seem fixed, but I kinda like the solution prposed by gentleclockdivider, portamento on + portamento time 0. This way we can have a solo modo with legato and non-legato. Roland Cloud added a legato switch for this.

but I was quickly testing other features of the synth, calibration knobs are

Well, and Roland Cloud is still a CPU killer... and the demo noise on it is really obnoxious

I will probably pick J-8 in january

[zvenx]

Hmmm...
(found there is an issue that if you change the polyphony after selecting solo it breaks it again until you reselect solo).. however I don't suspect that is the issue you are describing.. Maybe I misunderstood you.

Choose a patch.... with say polyphony of four and above.
Put it in solo mode....
Play one note and trill to another.... legato is still broken for you in that circumstance or how do you mean?
rsp

[EvilDragon]

Well, and Roland Cloud is still a CPU killer...

Interesting because I can get J-8 to use way way more CPU, because of how polyphony works in J-8 (if you have 8 voices of poly set, and you go to Dual mode, you basically double your CPU usage because now you have 16 voice poly max, whereas RC Jupiter works exactly as original, and halves the 8 voice poly into 2x4 in this case).

[zvenx]

Yet with one click you can move it to 4 and be back to 'normal'
rsp

[gentleclockdivider]

Switching on the chorus seems to produce some DC offset.

Not over here
Care to post a screenshot ?

[himalaya]

I wrote a long post in reply to the continuing conversation about the free-running oscillators, but I've deleted it as I don't want to repeat what I already wrote.

All I want to add is, twist those pots and stop worrying about free-running VCOs (check that SC page!). The oscillators are running and will eventually run away if you don't make a proper patch rather than play VCO-detective.

[EvilDragon]

Yet with one click you can move it to 4 and be back to 'normal'
rsp

Other emulations don't force extra steps on the user for authentic behavior...


EDIT: I know I'm probably turning out as a bad guy in this thread, but I really want to underline I absolutely wish Patrick all the best as I love and use TAL stuff a lot... which is why I'm this critical.

[himalaya]

Well, and Roland Cloud is still a CPU killer...

Interesting because I can get J-8 to use way way more CPU, because of how polyphony works in J-8 (if you have 8 voices of poly set, and you go to Dual mode, you basically double your CPU usage because now you have 16 voice poly max, whereas RC Jupiter works exactly as original, and halves the 8 voice poly into 2x4 in this case).

This is where J-8 wins for me. It is possible to layer 4 VCO oscillators for some huge pads and poly synth sounds and still get enough poly voices to actually play the patch with some nice big chords (or simple chords and a lead)

[revvy]

NI wouldn't allow it.

[EvilDragon]

This is where J-8 wins for me. It is possible to layer 4 VCO oscillators for some huge pads and poly synth sounds and still get enough poly voices to actually play the patch with some nice big chords (or simple chords and a lead)

Ha, sure, I guess. Could still do it with Arturia since it goes to 32 voices poly.

[himalaya]

but I was quickly testing other features of the synth, calibration knobs are

Right?
Here we can randomise so many parameters, including tuning, that it's possible to make the J-8 as wonky sounding, as detuned as the worst, beaten-up MemoryMoog, or keep it within reasonable ranges for a very alive, non-static analogue tone.

[EvilDragon]

The oscillators are running

If they were really always running the CPU usage would be constant because you have to run the whole synth all the time in order to make that happen (i.e. like Reaktor or RC Jupiter work)...

but I was quickly testing other features of the synth, calibration knobs are

Right?
Here we can randomise so many parameters, including tuning, that it's possible to make the J-8 as wonky sounding, as detuned as the worst, beaten-up MemoryMoog, or keep it within reasonable ranges for a very alive, non-static analogue tone.

True. But this is again between voices, not between oscillators... You can detune the hell out of separate voices, but you can still get to that point where you lock the phases between the two oscillators as simply as setting both oscs to same octave and setting finetune to 0 with a double click. How do I say it... it breaks suspension of disbelief for me.


Which is to say, I'd like to have a Drift knob in Calibration section that will never let me freeze the oscillators in phase this easily.

[zvenx]

.......

EDIT: I know I'm probably turning out as a bad guy in this thread, but I really want to underline I absolutely wish Patrick all the best as I love and use TAL stuff a lot... which is why I'm this critical.

I for one honestly get that.....which is part of why I had suggested you email him.
But some things for me seems like nitpicking, like the polyphony. where you can save the polyphony you want for each patch in the patch itself.
rsp

[perpetual3]

Yet with one click you can move it to 4 and be back to 'normal'
rsp

Other emulations don't force extra steps on the user for authentic behavior...


EDIT: I know I'm probably turning out as a bad guy in this thread, but I really want to underline I absolutely wish Patrick all the best as I love and use TAL stuff a lot... which is why I'm this critical.

I don’t see it that way - definitely not the bad guy.

[zvenx]

.......

EDIT: I know I'm probably turning out as a bad guy in this thread, but I really want to underline I absolutely wish Patrick all the best as I love and use TAL stuff a lot... which is why I'm this critical.

I for one honestly get that.....which is part of why I had suggested you email him.
But some things for me seems like nitpicking, like the polyphony. where you can save the polyphony you want for each patch in the patch itself.
rsp

And your insistence that you know what the right behaviour should be when Patrick is the one who has the Jupiter 8 in front of him and afaik you don't.
rsp