Expressive E Noisy 2!

[SLiC]

....and bought, downloaded and installed....will report back ltr

PS- there is a LIE update as well for Touché users -1.55

[zvenx]

Great. thanks.
And Bravo for you

are you a Touché user?
rsp

[elnn]

So who is going to volunteer to be the guinea pig?
rsp

It's tempting, but comb filters, hmmm… To me, they never seemed to offer that much tonal variety – they still sound like delays – unless one goes deeper into inharmonicity, which this synth does not offer at all.
The ease of use though is very inviting. MIDI slew on each mod-destination is yes please.

Do you know how this differs from the Plasmonic approach?
Do they also use comb filters but with the inharmonicity you mention?
rsp

No, I don't. I haven't delved all THAT much into comb filtering, but however I tried, it always sounded like an improved flanger. It always has that, ughh, that character to it, that metallic something that just doesn't sound like a physical instrument to me. The way it builds up is always the same, the way it dies out is always the same, it's always that comb-feedback sound. It doesn't feel at all like a string resonating, with all its unexpected harmonics you might get from bowing it in different places, different intensities, putting a hairpin on it, touching it slightly, etc.

And source: noise-only? I'm not sure. Zebra at least has a few models, and they're really fun, but it has the advantage of all other sound sources to feed into it, and that's what makes it fun for me.

Sound-wise, doesn't seem to compare to something like Kaivo. I really love how all the modulation is set up on this Noisy thing, though.

[SLiC]

Great. thanks.
And Bravo for you

are you a Touché user?
rsp

OK- Yes I am a Touché user which is most of the reason I have taken the plunge early...

Download and install no problem - ilok or store serial on PC (none ilok I assume- I selected this and it didn't ask for my ilok account or anything)

Looks really good to me, I like the layout and idea with the 3 resonators sections- I didn't buy Plasmonic as I just couldn't live with the GUI- this one ticks boxes for me, but I know that's personal taste.

Talking of personal taste, I think it sounds great; a bit Plasmonic/Chromosphone but also some good synth stuff- nice and organic BUT quite CPU heavy (I was hitting 50% with an i7 8 core with a 3 note chord on some patches). There is a 'multicore' button (labelled BETA!) but it didn't work for me, in fact it made it worst with CPU being taken when I wasn't playing notes (s assume no multicore for now!)

Its an interesting synth, different to the usual VA stuff, I like it (as far as I can tell in 30 minutes!!) and the pre-sets (400) are generally very good. I haven't done the 'init' test yet to check out the workflow from a blank canvas, thought I would report first

For Touché users.... works in Lie (so you have it standalone) with all pre-sets mapped. Works without Lie in your DAW (only tested with Live so far) with everything pre-mapped so your Touché 'just works' without Lie or any set up...worth the entry fee for me with the 40% off....

Hope this helps anyone on the fence, for what its worth, I won't be using the 30 day return personally.

[zvenx]

Thank you very much.


Two quick questions. (there was a third but it is slipping me currently)

1) is the GUI resizeable.
2) The demo audio has drums/percussions, do the presets include drums/percussions?


Much much appreciated.
rsp

[SLiC]

Thank you very much.


Two quick questions. (there was a third but it is slipping me currently)

1) is the GUI resizeable.
2) The demo audio has drums/percussions, do the presets include drums/percussions?


Much much appreciated.
rsp

Yes, 80, 100 and 120 (not the widest choice but they seem properly scaled and OK on my 4K and laptop)

No dedicated pre-set section for drums, but there are some in the mallet section and fx section etc.

The synth has two independent 'layers' (like Chromosphere) that can be mixed and have different expression on, pretty cool. You can load pre-sets to layers to stack etc.

4 types of noise (blue, white, pink and velvet!) and the low pass filter sounds pretty good to me. The 3 osc or comb resonators are obviously the star of the show, still digging in to that! Fx section interesting- 2 selectable slot delays (distortion, chorus, phaser etc) and a high quality stereo delay and 'plate' reverb.

[houseoftheangels]

I purchased Noisy last night as I am a Lie Touche User. It is made for Touche, but is a very good VST synth too controlled by the usual midi keyboard. With Touche it really happens. It is very different to all the other VST synths. It is different again to the usual MPE (I have a Roli Seaboard too).

I like the Touche for the way percussive expression can be tapped over a note or chord. The effects are very immediate and can be controlled with a bit of tweaking and gentle application of the Touche pedal. It is good to be able to use feel so much with both Touche and Roli. The Noisy VST is to Touche what Equator is to Roli. I hope that Noisy is further developed. It is a great start.

I am using it with Ryzen 7 and 24 GB Ram. There are no problems at all using it in the Cubase 11 DAW. The only small problem at the beginning was that Noisy in Cubase did not instantly map Touche. However, after turning off the PC following installation last night when I loaded everything in the DAW this morning it all worked fine and everything has automatically mapped. It must have been a USB issue that Noisy did not at first pick up on Touche in Cubase.

I hope that Steinberg, Spectrasonics and the other developers will incorporate MPE and Touche automatically with all the synths. This is the future and so much innovation can happen in this touch sensitive development of Midi. It brings the synths into real instrument territory for subtle touch sensitive performance. The hardware synth developers should incorporate it too. Imagine MPE Virus Ti3 being able to do what Hydrasynth can do with MPE. Imagine Halion and Spectrasonics automatically detecting MPE and the sounds having MPE and Touche mapping. It would make for amazing diversity of creative sound composition.

Still so much room for development. It is a happening world market and is making some very rich out of the wallets of those of us who are so into the electronic music synthesis.

[zvenx]

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Yes, 80, 100 and 120 (not the widest choice but they seem properly scaled and OK on my 4K and laptop)

No dedicated pre-set section for drums, but there are some in the mallet section and fx section etc.

The synth has two independent 'layers' (like Chromosphere) that can be mixed and have different expression on, pretty cool. You can load pre-sets to layers to stack etc.

4 types of noise (blue, white, pink and velvet!) and the low pass filter sounds pretty good to me. The 3 osc or comb resonators are obviously the star of the show, still digging in to that! Fx section interesting- 2 selectable slot delays (distortion, chorus, phaser etc) and a high quality stereo delay and 'plate' reverb.

Thanks.
rsp

[SLiC]

With Touche it really happens.

Yeh, as a Touché user I would say this is a very worthwhile purchase at 40% off.

It looks like it will be very easy to map just about anything from standard wheels to MPE to it, but you cant beat pre-mapped by the sound designers!

Are you finding pre-set switching quite slow?
Did the beta multicore work in Cubase?
Have you found the 'initialise/blank pre-set?! (scrub that one, its in the main menu!)

I guess I could read the manual, last resort!

[SLiC]

.........

Yes, 80, 100 and 120 (not the widest choice but they seem properly scaled and OK on my 4K and laptop)

No dedicated pre-set section for drums, but there are some in the mallet section and fx section etc.

The synth has two independent 'layers' (like Chromosphere) that can be mixed and have different expression on, pretty cool. You can load pre-sets to layers to stack etc.

4 types of noise (blue, white, pink and velvet!) and the low pass filter sounds pretty good to me. The 3 osc or comb resonators are obviously the star of the show, still digging in to that! Fx section interesting- 2 selectable slot delays (distortion, chorus, phaser etc) and a high quality stereo delay and 'plate' reverb.

Thanks.
rsp

No worries- one last thing- seems to be 'up to' 8 note polyphonic...It also makes great drums really fast from the default init patch!

[zvenx]

Thanks
rsp

[trackbout]

According to this article it does support MPE, but it is odd that there's no mention of MPE on the Expressive E site so who knows

"Noisy speaks MPE, and so will play ball with Expressive E's Touché controllers."

https://www.soundonsound.com/news/new-s ... pressive-e

EDIT: ...looks like MPE is NOT supported but will be down the road. Found an official answer in a response to one of the youtube comments

[SLiC]

Yes, it pretty much looks designed for MPE so I am sure it will come... I would suggest its quite an early launch as some features like multicore are still labelled beta (and don't work!).

Its also missing (in my opinion) some easy but obvious stuff like mute buttons on the resonator mixer (unless I am missing something) so you have to keep turning down the mix to hear individual resonators. Its not clear how to mute the layers other than turning them down...surely this can be done?

I am sure there is much more to come, this is a great start.

[zvenx]

Hi, I am Richard and I am suffer from Gear Acquisition Syndrome...

So I caved too.
I figured I have 30 days to return it .

It does use a lot of CPU indeed, yikes.
On PC Nuendo the multicore is indeed 'useless'.... just turning it on without evne playing a note and Nuendo's Asio Load Meter goes to 11.

On Mac I am still undecided. In Cubase (mac), on idle engaging multicore does indeed show higher asio core load, but in actually playing notes, I think that it may be lower... Still testing.
rsp

[Halonmusic]

And this is special because? Every sound in those demos could be made with any synth.