Fuzz plugins?

[jmm22]

You seem to not understand how AmpliTube works. It is one plugin. You can buy just a single fuzz pedal in the Custom Shop for $10. How is that a worse suggestion than u-he Runciter that isn't even a fuzz pedal and comes in a 149€ bundle of 9 plugins? Oh, it's because one is IK and the other is u-he and this is KVR...

For what it's worth, I find some audio software companies do not always do a good job of explaining what is what, what comes with what, and how to get it. It seems developers sometimes imagine everyone is very experienced, but some old school guys like me who are just getting into the digital side need better explanations. For example, if a Fuzz is available at IK M. for just a few dollars and can work without owning Amplitube, this is not made clear anywhere on their website so far as I can determine.

[acousticglue]

Amplitube items can be disabled in 4 or 5 and use as pedalboard. I used 4 at times as such

[Alchemedia]

My fav fuzz plugin.

[kidslow]

You seem to not understand how AmpliTube works. It is one plugin. You can buy just a single fuzz pedal in the Custom Shop for $10. How is that a worse suggestion than u-he Runciter that isn't even a fuzz pedal and comes in a 149€ bundle of 9 plugins? Oh, it's because one is IK and the other is u-he and this is KVR...

I seem to understand IK's business model, nor did I mention u-he, so you seem to have my response mistaken for the response of someone else. OP asked for free/low cost. If your point is whether suggesting u-he is equally as thoughtless, maybe, but I have no axe to grind with them.

Honestly to be clear, I never got around to installing Amplitube after I was turned off by the method that IK uses for 2 generations of the T-Racks installer. Perhaps they have Amplitube structured differently than T-Racks underneath or could be exactly the same and you never noticed whether or not your purchase of a single pedal is inconsequential to what they choose to install on your system. What I observed with T-Racks is they install everything and then make it incumbent on me to uninstall the parts I didn't buy or don't want installed. I find that obnoxious. YMMV.

I complained about it publicly. Peter acknowledged the complaint, which is all one could expect him to do. Nothing was done. I moved on and found less obnoxious alternatives. There are no shortage of cheap good ones. Now I share my distaste for IK publicly from time to time when I have something relevant to say. That's within my rights as a consumer and a member of these forums. The musicians who IK puts first must be the ones they pay license fees to as they have surely not demonstrated to me that their motto refers to their customers.

[jamcat]

I seem to understand IK's business model, nor did I mention u-he, so you seem to have my response mistaken for the response of someone else. OP asked for free/low cost.

Runciter was among the first suggestions, but you didn't take issue with that, and instead shit on a perfectly valid suggestion instead. Especially considering the OP in fact already OWNS the AmpliTube fuzz pedals I mentioned.

If your point is whether suggesting u-he is equally as thoughtless, maybe, but I have no axe to grind with them.

You kind of missed my point, actually, but you just confirmed it nonetheless.

Honestly to be clear, I never got around to installing Amplitube after I was turned off by the method that IK uses for 2 generations of the T-Racks installer. Perhaps they have Amplitube structured differently than T-Racks

So basically you don't actually know what you're talking about at all, but you're not going to let that stop you.

Now I share my distaste for IK publicly from time to time when I have something relevant to say. That's within my rights as a consumer and a member of these forums.

Yeah, we get it. You've got some personal hangups when it comes to IK and you're going to let everyone know.

[davidka]

To the OP: I have good experience with the donationware Analog Obsession green russian fuzz. I urge you to try it and decide yourself.
I didn't A/B test, but i feel it comes pretty close to my hardware sovtek fuzz pedal.

Merry christmas in advance to everyone!

[minkray]

yes, Analog Obsession Pig Pie, as already suggested. and also Zupaa plugin, for an older ToneBender fuzz tone. freeware, but you can support Tunca on Patreon if you can/want.

[Obsolete462444]

You seem to not understand how AmpliTube works. It is one plugin. You can buy just a single fuzz pedal in the Custom Shop for $10. How is that a worse suggestion than u-he Runciter that isn't even a fuzz pedal and comes in a 149€ bundle of 9 plugins? Oh, it's because one is IK and the other is u-he and this is KVR...

For what it's worth, I find some audio software companies do not always do a good job of explaining what is what, what comes with what, and how to get it. It seems developers sometimes imagine everyone is very experienced, but some old school guys like me who are just getting into the digital side need better explanations. For example, if a Fuzz is available at IK M. for just a few dollars and can work without owning Amplitube, this is not made clear anywhere on their website so far as I can determine.

IKM is a mess. Their installer / authorization manager forces you to install their entire product line, including the ones you don't need, in demo mode. Thats multiple gigabytes of stuff you don't need, even if you only want one particular T-Racks module. They have a reputation of not caring about user friendliness for the customers and enforcing their business model on users, especially with this intransparent Custom Shop scheme. On KVR there have been many critical inquiries by users, but since IKM also pays for ads on KVR these threads have typically been locked / deleted by admins.

[acousticglue]

Which fuzz pedal is this?

[stimresp]

+1 Kuassa Fuzz. Really floats my boat.

[whyterabbyt]

Honestly to be clear, I never got around to installing Amplitube after I was turned off by the method that IK uses for 2 generations of the T-Racks installer.

well, if you had, you would have realised that what you said wasnt correct. T-Racks installs individual versions of the processors as individual plugins as well but Amplitube doesnt.

(And the reason T-Racks does this is because people asked for it that way, AFAIR)

[Clearscreen]

Also try the MXR blue box emulation in amplitube - it's a weird fuzz when you turn the sub-octave side down.

[kidslow]

well, if you had, you would have realised that what you said wasnt correct. T-Racks installs individual versions of the processors as individual plugins as well but Amplitube doesnt.

(And the reason T-Racks does this is because people asked for it that way, AFAIR)

Everywhere I have seen people asked for T-Racks to not install every plugin. Just look at the links I posted. What people asked for it to be the way it is? Show me the receipts. There are none. I have been involved in that debate. The fundamental question should be if they can do the installer right with Amplitube, why can't they do T-Racks correctly?

I passed on Amplitube without even trialing. After a bad experience with some IK Multimedia products, why would I continue to give them money? When as acknowledged in this very thread, sticking to fuzz there are better, cheaper, more responsive developer options out there. I shared my experience and opinion about the the marketing-driven ecosystem of IK Multimedia and offered better alternatives. Sorry for getting a bit far afield. Go on defending IK if you like, but we are not rooting for sports teams here just offering opinions on plugins.

[kidslow]

IKM is a mess. Their installer / authorization manager forces you to install their entire product line, including the ones you don't need, in demo mode. Thats multiple gigabytes of stuff you don't need, even if you only want one particular T-Racks module. They have a reputation of not caring about user friendliness for the customers and enforcing their business model on users, especially with this intransparent Custom Shop scheme. On KVR there have been many critical inquiries by users, but since IKM also pays for ads on KVR these threads have typically been locked / deleted by admins.

Yes my point exactly. Thank you for reinforcing it.

[kidslow]

You've got some personal hangups when it comes to IK and you're going to let everyone know.

I actually don't disagree with any of your other points, since I made most of them for you. But this goes beyond personal hangups to fundamental bones of contention. I won't reiterate them. IK Multimedia cheerleaders pollute these boards but when someone tries to bring up a reasonable critique, the critic gets shat on. Think about why that is.