HipHop Drums?!?

[wsaidah]

what credits do you have

So to discredit my opinion, you question my credits. How constructive.

Hip hop has gained mainstream appeal, at least in the US. What it has lost is its heritage.

let me make my point hiphop doesent live in the mainstream never has only short peroids 6 months to a year in a half before the trash is injected and the industry start spraying the roaches with roach spray. see where roaches cruming for something to eat and when the roach spray stops working thay try a new brand sine a new group with there own sound copy that sound 14 times over and here we are 2004

[jones-y]

Hip Hop lives within us, and always will. Its affair with the mainstream exists solely because of its money earning potential. But we all know how that works.... Imitation is the worst form of flattery......

That's why I suggested originality

[Rockfock]

Hip Hop lives within us, and always will. Its affair with the mainstream exists solely because of its money earning potential. But we all know how that works.... Imitation is the worst form of flattery......

That's why I suggested originality

So it was dumb of me to sample Lil Jon, Dre and Diddy???





Now dont go crazy...Just kidding

[wsaidah]

Hip Hop lives within us, and always will. Its affair with the mainstream exists solely because of its money earning potential. But we all know how that works.... Imitation is the worst form of flattery......

That's why I suggested originality

ok lets go this route you will need old mic pres something from Neve mic the hole kit with SM57 and a D112 for the kick and dont forget the 1176s you will need no less then six record to 1/4 inch tape an get the best drumer you can find. now for the guy that started this topic its out of his reach i have done this a few times the best way is to set aside the drumes from every session you record and chop them up later

[wsaidah]

Hip Hop lives within us, and always will. Its affair with the mainstream exists solely because of its money earning potential. But we all know how that works.... Imitation is the worst form of flattery......

That's why I suggested originality

So it was dumb of me to sample Lil Jon, Dre and Diddy???





Now dont go crazy...Just kidding

not dumb just no idea were to start leve that stuf alone dre has to guys that digs for him and thats all thay do

[xoxos]

all the hiphop producers i know seem pretty impartial towards source as long as it sounds good. whatever's clever. we've used samples, customised analog drums, romplers, dr5s, patched drums on synths, used live instruents like hand drums, someone coughing up a hit, for a while, one guy was using only my synth percussion vst plugs. hiphop is as hiphop does.. who has what to do with what??

[Snakehorse9]

Well said xoxos!! My thoughts exactly.

[TeeLangSun]

if you dont want to take the time to sample records to harvest drums then you will only make rap music not hiphop

JM2C, but it seems like everybody in Hip Hop wants to sound like everybody else. Just my opinion, but I think you'd be better off using your ears. Define your own sounds.

It just burns me up when people say "hip hop drums are supposed to sound like this or that." No offense, but that's partly why its dying as an artform. Sample yourself hitting the wall, or pots and pans, and then mangle the samples until you like them. Do you. Not Kanye West or whoever.

I agree that anyone should try to put their own spin on whatever artform they choose to pursue, but I don't believe that Hip Hop is dying as an art form. Why do you think that? It seems to me that it's as popular now as it ever was. People still love it.

[luCiPHer]

Pretty damn corny site but yeah those drums are aight...

ya, tha zite suckz bäd

but hey, i don't even make hip hop, and still love those sounds (okok, i make a lot of trippety hop these days )

[jones-y]

if you dont want to take the time to sample records to harvest drums then you will only make rap music not hiphop

JM2C, but it seems like everybody in Hip Hop wants to sound like everybody else. Just my opinion, but I think you'd be better off using your ears. Define your own sounds.

It just burns me up when people say "hip hop drums are supposed to sound like this or that." No offense, but that's partly why its dying as an artform. Sample yourself hitting the wall, or pots and pans, and then mangle the samples until you like them. Do you. Not Kanye West or whoever.

I agree that anyone should try to put their own spin on whatever artform they choose to pursue, but I don't believe that Hip Hop is dying as an art form. Why do you think that? It seems to me that it's as popular now as it ever was. People still love it.

IMO the lack of innovation is the first sign of impending death of a style of music. As a popular music (as in pop) it is probably at its peak. But there is very little newness, and the innovators don't get any of the limelight.

And the notion of "if it ain't sampled it ain't hip hop" is absolutely absurd.

[jones-y]

Hip Hop lives within us, and always will. Its affair with the mainstream exists solely because of its money earning potential. But we all know how that works.... Imitation is the worst form of flattery......

That's why I suggested originality

ok lets go this route you will need old mic pres something from Neve mic the hole kit with SM57 and a D112 for the kick and dont forget the 1176s you will need no less then six record to 1/4 inch tape an get the best drumer you can find. now for the guy that started this topic its out of his reach i have done this a few times the best way is to set aside the drumes from every session you record and chop them up later

Or you could take a cheap microphone, and plug it up to your old stereo. Tap the mic with your palm or the soft side of your finger. Instant kick drum. Tap the mic with your fingernail. Snare...

Stick another mic in front of the stereo and record it coming out of the speakers. Lots cheaper, and much more fun!

[defjamm]

It just burns me up when people say "hip hop drums are supposed to sound like this or that

And contrary to what some say, hip hop drums are primarily composed of acoustic drums, heavily processed.

?
that's not true, you can find all kind of drums in hip hop, electronic, acoustic, noise-drums. to say hip-hop drums are composed primarily
of acoustic drums is a limitation. you can also use both, the acoustic one for the punch and attack and the electronic one for heavy bass.

i tried a lot of sample-cds, from zero-g to amg to powerfx, best service, e-lab and for me the best ones are the modernbeats and e-lab drums.

I tried modernbeats (and they have some good sounds for sure) but the kicks were a real let down. The best I found so-far were some E-lab samples that were very usable, but I'm suprised at the real lack of decent Hip-hop kits either in sound or 'playability' in the soft-world.

try multing the kicks, one with a gate for the attack the other you can limit the shit out of it or boost with an eq in the desired bass-freq. put them together and enjoy your new kicks.

[jones-y]

defjamm,

Let me clarify. I was saying that, of what I hear, processed acoustic drums far outweigh electronically generated drums in hip hop. I wasn't saying that it should be that way. I was saying that it is that way.

As for what it should be, I don't dare say it should be this or it should be that. Hip hop drums should be whatever the artist wants them to be. There is no need for limitation, you are correct. But I wasn't arguing for limitations, I was arguing against them.

My approach: Start with some samples i like, for example Emagic Xtreme HipHop is awesome (gritty NY underground styled drums) and then shape them to what I want them to be. Shorten the envelopes, add EQ or compression, maybe an exciter on the snare, etc.

The point is, don't think that you have to do it this way or that way, or that you have to sample a record or go out and buy some 808 samples to make true Hip Hop. If you want real Hip Hop, the first place for you to look is within.

[amenbrother]

Go to the musicstore buy som cds with beats that you like. Cant beat theire equipment.
Slice, dice, rearrange and resample.

Hey!!
A new beat is born

[wrench45us]

i happened to watch 'ghost dog' last night

circa 1995 hip hop soundtrack mostly by RZA (Wu Tang Clan)
and some Flavor Flav Public Enemy

a lot of the soundtrack bits were just beats
very raw sounding stuff
i mean sounds have come a long way since '95, but because it was so raw, it sounded really fresh

this seems to always be the way
things get smoothed out as the progress, till along comes the next raw, fresh thing (who are making due with limited funds and equipment) gets more popular and more funds and better equipment smooths things out