Looking to ditch Logic and Apple. Help!

[antic604]

Wait for the M1X chips to be released in a few months. It could be a gamechanger. The M1 chip already shook up the market by being both powerful and extremely efficient.

Compared with what? Low spec'ed Macs?

The M1 chip in Air in most tests performs similarly to i7 MacBook Pro, so imagine a chip with 3-4x the cores and proper cooling.

[Fabriciom]

Which version of Mac OS X and Logic are you running on your 11 years old Mac Pro? El Capitan was the latest which supported 2009 Mac Pro, that’s getting pretty old now.

Wait for the M1X chips to be released in a few months. It could be a gamechanger. The M1 chip already shook up the market by being both powerful and extremely efficient.

Edit: I run Logic Pro X on a 2016 MacBook Pro and have zero performance issues.

I have an i7 2,5ghz quad core mpb and loading 1 diva instance I’m at 15% cpu usage. Try loading a few of those and see if you don’t have performance issues.

[fmr]

Wait for the M1X chips to be released in a few months. It could be a gamechanger. The M1 chip already shook up the market by being both powerful and extremely efficient.

Compared with what? Low spec'ed Macs?

The M1 chip in Air in most tests performs similarly to i7 MacBook Pro, so imagine a chip with 3-4x the cores and proper cooling.

Macbook Pro isn't a good example for anything. I'd like to see them running the same software side by side with a Windows gaming laptop (not to mention the super computers we can assemble with a good desktop tower chassis).

[fmr]

I switched to Windows this year, although not on the desktop end. I switched from a MacBook to a Razer Laptop. Has its pros and cons.

In terms of DAWs there isn‘t really a full replacement for Logic. I settled for Studio One.

I also think Studio One is a good candidate, as it will have a similar workflow, and similar approach (little bloat, straight forward).

If you don't like S1's GUI, you could also take a look at Cubase.

I haven’t used cubase in a LONG time. But unless things have change drastically, to me it was the worst performer of all.

If you are talking about the number of virtual instruments you can run, then REAPER will beat anything.

But if you are talking about features and comprehensiveness, then IMO Cubase Pro is the best DAW around. Sure, it possibly won't load as many instruments as REAPER, but it loads about as many as Studio One Pro

[mgw38]

Sorry, but I simply cannot envision any scenario in which a Logic user would switch to Reaper.

[Fabriciom]

I switched to Windows this year, although not on the desktop end. I switched from a MacBook to a Razer Laptop. Has its pros and cons.

In terms of DAWs there isn‘t really a full replacement for Logic. I settled for Studio One.

I also think Studio One is a good candidate, as it will have a similar workflow, and similar approach (little bloat, straight forward).

If you don't like S1's GUI, you could also take a look at Cubase.

I haven’t used cubase in a LONG time. But unless things have change drastically, to me it was the worst performer of all.

If you are talking about the number of virtual instruments you can run, then REAPER will beat anything.

But if you are talking about features and comprehensiveness, then IMO Cubase Pro is the best DAW around. Sure, it possibly won't load as many instruments as REAPER, but it loads about as many as Studio One Pro

I’ve read that reaper is the best performer but it’s too basic and needs a lot of configuration,

It’s also not strong in the midi editing area. No?

I’m thinking of giving studio one a try and if it doesn’t work for me then try reaper.

[andypryce]

I would get an iMac 10 core 3.6ghz with 1TB SSD (sans ram-purchase separately) for less than 3k which is a fantastic machine for Logic.

[Fabriciom]

I would get an iMac 10 core 3.6ghz with 1TB SSD (sans ram-purchase separately) for less than 3k which is a fantastic machine for Logic.

Who would I trade a 12 3.2ghz core Mac pro for a 10 core 3.6ghz iMac.

Further more the iMac probably doesn’t even use a Xeon.

These is how apple tricks ppl into spending money on crap that they don’t need.

[mgw38]

I would get an iMac 10 core 3.6ghz with 1TB SSD (sans ram-purchase separately) for less than 3k which is a fantastic machine for Logic.

Who would I trade a 12 3.2ghz core Mac pro for a 10 core 3.6ghz iMac.

Further more the iMac probably doesn’t even use a Xeon.

These is how apple tricks ppl into spending money on crap that they don’t need.

If you are talking about a 2009 Mac Pro, the performance isn't even close. I have a 2011 Mac Pro, 12 core 3.6 GHz. Performs about as fast as a maxed out 2016 MacBook Pro. A new iMac is significantly more performant.

[softska]

If you are talking about the number of virtual instruments you can run, then REAPER will beat anything.

But if you are talking about features and comprehensiveness, then IMO Cubase Pro is the best DAW around. Sure, it possibly won't load as many instruments as REAPER, but it loads about as many as Studio One Pro

For Cubase and StudioOne on mac that's true, on Windows I'd imagine it's less of a direct comparison.

Fro OP, I think pretty much any DAW would do it, I'd imagine VI instances are rather bound by the aging CPU (+newer SSE/AVX optimizations etc) more than the DAW itself at this point.

I’ve read that reaper is the best performer but it’s too basic and needs a lot of configuration,

It’s also not strong in the midi editing area. No?

I’m thinking of giving studio one a try and if it doesn’t work for me then try reaper.

Reaper's MIDI isn't bad, just very arcane. StudioOne would be an easier (arguably better) transition.

I do agree with a few posters here thou, just buying a new Mac will probably be less headache and do a slow transition (use Logic + whatever DAW you want to transition to side by side for a few years). I'm mostly done moving away from Logic myself at this point to Reaper/Live, but there are things I still much prefer in Logic even for non-midi work.

[softska]

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[Fabriciom]

I would get an iMac 10 core 3.6ghz with 1TB SSD (sans ram-purchase separately) for less than 3k which is a fantastic machine for Logic.

Who would I trade a 12 3.2ghz core Mac pro for a 10 core 3.6ghz iMac.

Further more the iMac probably doesn’t even use a Xeon.

These is how apple tricks ppl into spending money on crap that they don’t need.

If you are talking about a 2009 Mac Pro, the performance isn't even close. I have a 2011 Mac Pro, 12 core 3.6 GHz. Performs about as fast as a maxed out 2016 MacBook Pro. A new iMac is significantly more performant.

Sorry I don’t agree with this.

My late 2014 maxed out MacBook Pro doesn’t even come close to my old Mac Pro.

I’m talking logic performance not geek scores and apps that measure other things.

[mgw38]

Sorry I don’t agree with this.

My late 2014 maxed out MacBook Pro doesn’t even come close to my old Mac Pro.

I’m talking logic performance not geek scores and apps that measure other things.

Doesn‘t sound the way it should be. You might want to test a new iMac if you have a chance. You will probably be surprised.

All I can say is that I never had performance issues on any of my Macs. I switched because I need to use software that requires Nvidia cards which makes Macs a no go, unfortunately.

[Fabriciom]

Sorry I don’t agree with this.

My late 2014 maxed out MacBook Pro doesn’t even come close to my old Mac Pro.

I’m talking logic performance not geek scores and apps that measure other things.

Doesn‘t sound the way it should be. You might want to test a new iMac if you have a chance. You will probably be surprised.

All I can say is that I never had performance issues on any of my Macs. I switched because I need to use software that requires Nvidia cards which makes Macs a no go, unfortunately.

The old benchmark project in gearslutz that loaded a bunch of tracks with delay designer would get me like 170 tracks on my Mac Pro before craping out.

The MacBook Pro would not get past 47 tracks.

Just check my mbp and its a late 2014 with intel Core i7 2.8ghz (Turbo Boost up to 4.0GHz) quad core.

Thats vs 2 Xeon X5680 each 6 cores at 3,33ghz.

[fmr]

If you are talking about the number of virtual instruments you can run, then REAPER will beat anything.

But if you are talking about features and comprehensiveness, then IMO Cubase Pro is the best DAW around. Sure, it possibly won't load as many instruments as REAPER, but it loads about as many as Studio One Pro

For Cubase and StudioOne on mac that's true, on Windows I'd imagine it's less of a direct comparison.

I don't follow you. Why would it be different in macOS than in Windows? And what would be different? Are you saying that Cubase performs better in Windows? Or the opposite?