Looking to ditch Logic and Apple. Help!

[worldshaker]

Assuming you're still switching to Windows, PreSonus Studio One is a good compromise of every major daw. Presonus has something called PreSonus Sphere; you can try out their full daw and other full software/audio libraries for a monthly subscription if you want to dip your toes into the Studio One world without dropping the full initial amount. If not, just trials each daw's trial version and see which one clicks with you. The big ones would be Ableton, BitWig, Studio One, Cubase, Reason, Reaper, and FL Studio. Studio One and Cubase are most like Logic out of the box. Cakewalk & digital performer are good, too, I hear. I've never tried these daws.

[Passing Bye]

OP has a valid point regarding performance per dollar spent on a Mac. You can definitely build a super fast, if not faster PC for less money than a Mac.

Not true anymore, M1 Mini cost and performs similar to Ryzen 5 3600 desktop hackintosh PC

Ryzen 3600? That's OOOOOLD...

The price for a Ryzen 3600 is 172 euros. I can a build a computer based on a Ryzen 3600 vastly superior to a Mac mini for the price of a Mac mini.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/A ... 4087vs4040

A hackintosh is not a solution either.

There is no dual Xeon board that works "ok".

The recommended boards are Z400 chipsets with lga 1200 sockets. So you can't use one of the new xeon.

You are stuck with the performance around what I have.

Why are you hung up on Intel?

[pdxindy]

I'd wait for the next update to the M1 Mac Mini... with the M2 or M1X or whatever they call it. It will be as fast as the current Mac Pro but for far less cost. That will also give time for various 3rd party plugins and audio interface drivers etc. to be updated for Apple Silicon.

Apple Silicon is very impressive... and Logic development has been really solid over the past few years. It's worth a few more months waiting to see if it fits your needs at a good price.

For what I read, it will not be "a few more months". That new chip (M2, for what I read) will not arrive until 2022 (at least). And we will see by then what will be the price. "far less cost" in Apple terms will still be more expensive than comparable Windows machines. But if they manage to squeeze 32 cores into it, as I read, that may indeed be impressive.

Have no idea where you’re reading this, but I’m chomping at the bit, waiting to buy a 16” MacBook Pro when they come out, and everyone is guessing June, maybe even March for that release. The only speculation for 2022 is on the AS Mac Pro, and even that is just a guess. It tool Apple less than the projected 2 years to switch to Intel chips, I have no doubt they match that.

The 16" Macbook Pro will probably still be THIS M1 chip. It will perform more or less the same, maybe slightly better (overclocked). Hardly something to praise about... I am talking about the talked 32 core M2.

And that's not a "transition", that will be a real hard task to accomplish.

The 16" MBP will not be the same M1 chip... that is not what the rumors are saying and if it were Apple would have just released it already. No, Apple knows that the 16" MBP needs to be faster than the MB Air. Duh...

[Passing Bye]

Ryzen 3600? That's OOOOOLD...

So what, still capable and affordable option and what's most important that's the kind of thing you would need to get to challenge entry level M1, based on actual test that I provided, Ryzen 5 3600 machine performs about the same as M1 for Logic.

The price for a Ryzen 3600 is 172 euros. I can a build a computer based on a Ryzen 3600 vastly superior to a Mac mini for the price of a Mac mini.

Maybe in Portugal, here I need to splash 215 euros for it, who knows how much more if I pay for aboard shipping and customs to get from some store that has it for that price such as Newegg and etc, but still, I actually had that kind of machine on hold and it costed me more than M1 Mac Mini (without going into thunderbolt madness, with that it adds up even more), with your ultra low prices, it goes to be about the same... so you really can't build more powerful Ryzen 5 3600 desktop than M1, not with that budget or with yours or mine prices.

[machinesworking]

I'd wait for the next update to the M1 Mac Mini... with the M2 or M1X or whatever they call it. It will be as fast as the current Mac Pro but for far less cost. That will also give time for various 3rd party plugins and audio interface drivers etc. to be updated for Apple Silicon.

Apple Silicon is very impressive... and Logic development has been really solid over the past few years. It's worth a few more months waiting to see if it fits your needs at a good price.

For what I read, it will not be "a few more months". That new chip (M2, for what I read) will not arrive until 2022 (at least). And we will see by then what will be the price. "far less cost" in Apple terms will still be more expensive than comparable Windows machines. But if they manage to squeeze 32 cores into it, as I read, that may indeed be impressive.

Have no idea where you’re reading this, but I’m chomping at the bit, waiting to buy a 16” MacBook Pro when they come out, and everyone is guessing June, maybe even March for that release. The only speculation for 2022 is on the AS Mac Pro, and even that is just a guess. It tool Apple less than the projected 2 years to switch to Intel chips, I have no doubt they match that.

The 16" Macbook Pro will probably still be THIS M1 chip. It will perform more or less the same, maybe slightly better (overclocked). Hardly something to praise about... I am talking about the talked 32 core M2.

And that's not a "transition", that will be a real hard task to accomplish.

Just as I suspected, You haven’t paid attention at all to what is being talked about, you’re flatly making shit up. Absolutely no one is talking about the 16” being an overclocked version of the current M1, there’s absolutely no reason to think this is the case. The current M1 in single core tests is only matched by the fastest chips out there right now, the current 8 core is pretty much a 4 core, plus 4 “helper” cores. Everyone is in agreement that the 16” will be at least a 12 core, 8 performance cores and the 4 efficiency cores. Possibly 16 cores.

All of this is easily corroborated by current Intel chips in the 13 VS 16, plus the fact that thermally this is easy compared to what AMD or Intel can pull off right now. Absolutely nothing you’ve said so far is anything near even a rational speculation, you’re literally letting your hatred of Apple drive your opinion without even bothering to look at the information that’s out there to back it up.

Again, absolutely no one thinks that Apple will release an overclocked version of the M1, that’s never been an Apple thing in the first place, and makes zero sense considering the impressive single core performance their bottom of the line 1st gen M1 is getting. The next chips will be at least 12 cores, it’s hardly speculation considering thermally they would still run cooler than than current i9 Zenbook Duo or 16” MacBook Pro.

[Passing Bye]

Just as I suspected, You haven’t paid attention at all to what is being talked about, you’re flatly making shit up.

Dunning–Kruger cognitive dissonance is strong with him

[revvy]

When I saw the thread title I was already looking forward to industrial strength bs from

[revvy]

fmr has his own opinions, which is good.

Just as I suspected, You haven’t paid attention at all to what is being talked about, you’re flatly making shit up.

Dunning–Kruger cognitive dissonance is strong with him

[machinesworking]

fmr has his own opinions, which is good.

Just as I suspected, You haven’t paid attention at all to what is being talked about, you’re flatly making shit up.

Dunning–Kruger cognitive dissonance is strong with him

Most of the time I agree, and Dunning-Kruger isn't really a fit, but let's be honest, we've all talked about something without reading up on it, especially if the story has been the same for years. It's clearly what he did here.

If you follow the tech industry at all, you will see that only the most militant goose stepping anti anything Apple people people are attempting to downplay the move. It's clearly intriguing, and actually innovative, which admittedly is unusual because like most companies Apple mostly just conglomerates tech outside of their invention and calls it innovative.

[Passing Bye]

Dunning-Kruger isn't really a fit

This pretty much sums it up for me

I can a build a computer based on a Ryzen 3600 vastly superior to a Mac mini for the price of a Mac mini.

If you follow the tech industry at all, you will see that only the most militant goose stepping anti anything Apple people people are attempting to downplay the move. It's clearly intriguing, and actually innovative, which admittedly is unusual because like most companies Apple mostly just conglomerates tech outside of their invention and calls it innovative.

Yeah, it's quite ridiculous.

[SneakyBeats]

Looking to ditch Logic and Apple. Help!

First, congratulations for your great decision

1k and over and basically any laptop/pc (build your own) is good for music production. Okay I virtually gathered components to my next pc and it cost 1150€. GPU took a big part of the cost since I also use my pc for gaming.

When it comes to DAWs, many praise Studio one. Personally I don't really like it since it's too much similar with Cubase.

Time to as yourself a question: Could it be time to learn a totally new DAW and new workflow? Maybe Bitwig or Reason? FLStudio?

If you want to continue with something familiar, it's possible in Reaper to add a Logic theme and configure the shortcuts etc etc to similar with Logic.

[revvy]

In essence this is probably absolutely right.

After switching to Windows the best alternative to Logic is anything that works on Windows that you fancy, and if it's Reaper you can even make it look like Logic in case you miss it.

And the best HW for Windows is anything that's a bit pricey (but still cheaper than Apple) that runs Windows.

[machinesworking]

In essence this is probably absolutely right.

After switching to Windows the best alternative to Logic is anything that works on Windows that you fancy, and if it's Reaper you can even make it look like Logic in case you miss it.

And the best HW for Windows is anything that's a bit pricey (but still cheaper than Apple) that runs Windows.

The only problem with Reaper is it has almost none of the benefits of Logic. It has a decent but bare bones selection of FX, and no real instruments to speak of. It has nothing like any of the sequencing and AI tools that Logic has. If you're used to using any of the massive array of FX and instruments in Logic, you're looking at a whole new area of expense if you switch. As far as in depth MIDI and audio editing tools for tweaking a song etc. Reaper is on par, a lot more so than the others.

Personally I would go with Bitwig on Windows, and a touch screen. Bitwig offers great controller support on par with Logic or even better, a great selection of FX and instruments, and better MPE support.

Moss offers fantastic controller support for both Reaper and Bitwig so I would probably stick with those two. http://www.mossgrabers.de

I would go with Cubase if the focus was orchestral work, at least until Digital Performer gets some sort of articulation mapping.

[Passing Bye]

Personally I would go with Bitwig on Windows, and a touch screen. Bitwig offers great controller support on par with Logic or even better, a great selection of FX and instruments, and better MPE support.

I would go with Cubase if the focus was orchestral work, at least until Digital Performer gets some sort of articulation mapping.

Solid choices, pretty much +1 from me.

[Fabriciom]

In essence this is probably absolutely right.

After switching to Windows the best alternative to Logic is anything that works on Windows that you fancy, and if it's Reaper you can even make it look like Logic in case you miss it.

And the best HW for Windows is anything that's a bit pricey (but still cheaper than Apple) that runs Windows.

The only problem with Reaper is it has almost none of the benefits of Logic. It has a decent but bare bones selection of FX, and no real instruments to speak of. It has nothing like any of the sequencing and AI tools that Logic has. If you're used to using any of the massive array of FX and instruments in Logic, you're looking at a whole new area of expense if you switch. As far as in depth MIDI and audio editing tools for tweaking a song etc. Reaper is on par, a lot more so than the others.

Personally I would go with Bitwig on Windows, and a touch screen. Bitwig offers great controller support on par with Logic or even better, a great selection of FX and instruments, and better MPE support.

Moss offers fantastic controller support for both Reaper and Bitwig so I would probably stick with those two. http://www.mossgrabers.de

I would go with Cubase if the focus was orchestral work, at least until Digital Performer gets some sort of articulation mapping.

I don't really use any of logics fx/instruments. Except for the new quick sampler and sampler. This to me is more confortable and is easier to use than Kontakt. Don't know of any other sampling solution that is as easy and integrated.

I used the effects for convenience and low cpu usage. but I rather use fabfilter and dmg stuff.

I do like the MIDI editing in logic and how simple it is to chop stuff and get it in a sampler.

Also like how simple it is to stretch audio and play with tempo changes.