Looking to ditch Logic and Apple. Help!

[fmr]

The current M1 in single core tests is only matched by the fastest chips out there right now, the current 8 core is pretty much a 4 core, plus 4 “helper” cores.

Where are those "tests"? Who performed them? What "fastest chips out there" was it compared to?

Everyone is in agreement that the 16” will be at least a 12 core, 8 performance cores and the 4 efficiency cores. Possibly 16 cores.

Who is "everyone"? You mean the fanboys?

I am not in agreement with anything. I'll wait and see. And will judge IF and WHEN it comes out, based on FACTS.

[revvy]

New ARM Macs, when they arrive, will be most probably even more lousy than what is now usual with Apple. Basically expensive paperweights

Definitely no Apple fanboy. But debatable that you are always guided by facts.

[fmr]

New ARM Macs, when they arrive, will be most probably even more lousy than what is now usual with Apple. Basically expensive paperweights

Definitely no Apple fanboy. But debatable that you are always guided by facts.

I don't remember if/when I wrote that. There has been so much noise about the "new super-duper CPU Apple is building" that I may have written that tired of all the fanboy speculation (of which we are seeing more samples now, about what will be the new Mac Book). With Apple is never WHAT IS, but always WHAT WILL BE.

But I was making a prediction (which somehow contradicts what I just wrote, I recon). I also recognize the new M1 is not as lousy as what is written, APPARENTLY. But it isn't the "fastest CPU out there" either. Not even close

[antic604]

...But it isn't the "fastest CPU on the planet" either

Per Watt of consumed power? It might be (close).

[fmr]

...But it isn't the "fastest CPU on the planet" either

Per Watt of consumed power? It might be (close).

Who cares about the "per watt consumed power"? And that wasn't even mentioned before. Why not saying that it is the most powerful CPU per surface area?

The most powerful CPUs are power consuming. Everybody knows that. We are talking about RAW POWER, not raw power PER WATT.

[Fabriciom]

If making new CPUs was so easy how come there is only 2 companies in the game of x86.

I too really doubt the new CPUs will be any good and/or will cheaper than what apple is selling now.

My Mac Pro was a good thing. It has lasted me 11 years. But this is done for.

And its done for because apples wants to. This machine could continue to work if they wanted to.

[Fabriciom]

I've found a solution to my logic problems. If any one runs into something similar.

1. Don't load ANY plugins in the St Out channel. Create a St Out bus and send all your outputs through there. Then send this bus out to St Out.

I was loading Realphones and Sonarworks in this track.

2. Create an empty track and while playback select this track. Logic activates this track and throws a lot of CPU at it.

But this still does not allow you to play an instrument while playback....

[antic604]

Who cares about the "per watt consumed power"?

I'd imagine 99% people here want to have quiet & cool running computer in their studio and many of them want to take it on the road, on the couch, on vacations. Yes, the per Watt performance is more important than raw power.

[Fabriciom]

Who cares about the "per watt consumed power"?

I'd imagine 99% people here want to have quiet & cool running computer in their studio and many of them want to take it on the road, on the couch, on vacations. Yes, the per Watt performance is more important than raw power.

I would the the 1% that wants a workstation not a laptop.

[antic604]

Who cares about the "per watt consumed power"?

I'd imagine 99% people here want to have quiet & cool running computer in their studio and many of them want to take it on the road, on the couch, on vacations. Yes, the per Watt performance is more important than raw power.

I would the the 1% that wants a workstation not a laptop.

I never said 1% wants desktop, 99% wants laptops. My point is not every desktop is a workstation, whatever that means to you.

[fmr]

Who cares about the "per watt consumed power"?

I'd imagine 99% people here want to have quiet & cool running computer in their studio and many of them want to take it on the road, on the couch, on vacations. Yes, the per Watt performance is more important than raw power.

I'd imagine you are imagining wrongly

[chk071]

Who cares about the "per watt consumed power"?

I'd imagine 99% people here want to have quiet & cool running computer in their studio and many of them want to take it on the road, on the couch, on vacations. Yes, the per Watt performance is more important than raw power.

Every desktop is reasonably silent these days. I wouldn't care about watt performance at all when I buy a new desktop. All that matters for me is bang for buck, that's why I buy desktop PC's.

[revvy]

This is definitely now a great PC V Mac thread for 2020, going out on a high I'd say.

Oh, and for added lols we got ourselves a new live one, "Yep, sure, the M1s seem to have delivered, but man those M2s will suck, typical Apple"

[antic604]

Every desktop is reasonably silent these days. I wouldn't care about watt performance at all when I buy a new desktop. All that matters for me is bang for buck, that's why I buy desktop PC's.

You're probably right. I've not owned a desktop in this millennium.

[chk071]

If you have the money, I'm sure 2.000 € buys you a reasonably performing mobile device as well, just saying that, for the same money, you get a powerhouse as a desktop, but, it'll surely consume a lot more.